Re: [ebsoa] New BPSS V2 editor for ebSOA

["David RR Webber" <david@drrw.info>]

Duane,

The whole point of BPSS is to be execution engine neutral - just
like the ebSOA - we do not have as a deliverable an ebSOA execution
engine....neither does the BPSS TC.

Second point - until you implement the editor environment you
have no idea if your model actually works - therefore this is
a validation for the BPSS V2.0 specification schema.

However - since you mentioned it - I am actively looking at using
the jBPM JBOSS middleware to be able to emulate the BPSS
model.   This is done by drawing the model in VisualScript and then
using VisualScript to output direct to the syntax jBPM uses.

The BPSS therefore provides the model, while jBPM is the
emulation layer.

What we need to understand in all this - is how does an ebSOA
component stack compare?

While you are focusing on your scope - its important to look
around and see what may or may not be covered by that
scope.... ; -)

Cheers, DW

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Duane Nickull" <dnickull@adobe.com>
To: "David RR Webber" <david@drrw.info>
Cc: "Matthew MacKenzie" <mattm@adobe.com>; "ebsoa"
<ebsoa@lists.oasis-open.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: [ebsoa] New BPSS V2 editor for ebSOA


> David:
>
> While this may be true, it is definitely premature to make this post.
>  We still have to get the doc to a 0.2 version.
>
> There is not point in generating BPSS instances before we have a runtime
> execution engine.  I agree - there is an audience for this, perhaps the
> bp related lists may be a better forum for now.  I know this is
> procedural and burocratic in nature but I guess I am part politician now
;-)
>
> What we need now if a scope statement, pattern work, document structure
> and  help for editing.  Love to see you contribute to that ;-)  Then
> let's discuss BP**
>
> Duane
>
> David RR Webber wrote:
>
> > Matt,
> >
> > Heck - if you don't want to see what I've been working
> > on - you don't have to do any of it.
> >
> > However the good news is there are two files at the
> > link - one is a JPG and the other is an XML file.
> >
> > You can view the JPG and then inspect the XML
> > that the model generated.  By examining the JPG
> > you will see the components that go into specifying
> > a robust business process - and the supporting
> > linkages to the transport layer, the context system,
> > and transactions.  Being able to drive all this with
> > XML templates is IMHO a key need for ebSOA,
> > and while the BPSS approach may not be perfect -
> > its certainly one we should be lookiing at to
> > understand how it relates and can be leveraged.
> >
> > Also - since BPSS is middleware neutral - there is
> > a strong possibility it can be applied to the ebSOA
> > deployment environments.
> >
> > Then there is the fact that the BPSS approach is
> > derived and built-up from over twenty years of
> > evolving knowledge on business processes - not to
> > mention - tightly couples to the ebMS interchange
> > model.
> >
> > But apart from that the patterns it uses might strike
> > some as being antiquated, while others will see them
> > as essential foundation business components.
> >
> > I'm just the messenger here ; -)
> >
> > DW
> >
> >     ----- Original Message -----
> >     From: Matthew MacKenzie <mailto:mattm@adobe.com>
> >     To: David RR Webber <mailto:david@drrw.info>
> >     Cc: ebsoa <mailto:ebsoa@lists.oasis-open.org>
> >     Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 9:44 AM
> >     Subject: Re: [ebsoa] New BPSS V2 editor for ebSOA
> >
> >     Let me get this straight...
> >
> >     I'm supposed to get a copy of your tool, and download a BPSS
> >     sample. When I have this, I am somehow better prepared to create a
> >     ebSOA model?
> >
> >     Lots of assumptions that I do not care for...
> >
> >     - We will use VisualScript (does it run on Mac OS by the way?)
> >     - We will use BPSS as a foundation technology.
> >     - ...
> >
> >     -Matt
> >     On May 19, 2004, at 10:36 AM, David RR Webber wrote:
> >
> >         Team,
> >
> >         I've uploaded the current beta to:
> >
> >          http://drrw.net/visualscripts/
> >
> >         You will see the "NEW" BPSS V2 example marked.
> >
> >         To use this - download the ZIP file - and unpack it into
> >         the TEMP directory on your C: drive
> >
> >         (you can change the path reference in the model - but its
> >          easier to just unpack it to c:\temp to get started).
> >
> >         This new model includes the ability to define Context as
> >         part of the BPSS model - so it gives key insights into
> >         creating process models that manage the business
> >         transactional needs, context, and integration to the
> >         transport layer with ebMS, WSDL, http-binding, RPC
> >         and more.
> >
> >         I'm sure this will be a pivot point for getting our ebSOA model
> >         and details honed so that it all works harmoniously.
> >
> >         Next I'm working on a quick PPT tutorial - so people can easily
> >         step thru and create their own BPSS from scratch.
> >
> >         Enjoy, DW
> >
> >         p.s. I'm also looking at the jBPM JBOSS engine - figuring I can
> >               drive jBPM from the BPSS models....and thus transport
> >               layer and implement a foundation piece for ebSOA...
> >
> >     ___________________________
> >     Matthew MacKenzie
> >     Senior Architect
> >     IDBU Server Solutions
> >     Adobe Systems Canada Inc.
> >     http://www.adobe.com/products/server/
> >     mattm@adobe.com
> >     +1 (506) 871.5409
> >
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