Matt,
OK - I'm on-board for that, and +1 on my intent
and
purpose here.
I'm still not totally clear on what
you mean by patterns
and if that meshes with what I'm thinking -
but if its
anything relating to defining how the requirements get
determined - a la BCM layers approach - and from that
determining what technology patterns are needed
to
deliver the overall solution characteristics - that
definately
makes sense - however you want to capture
that.
Thanks, DW
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 8:18
PM
Subject: Re: [ebsoa] New BPSS V2 editor
for ebSOA
I think that someone needs to take charge here and set some
direction for this TC. DRRW's approach infuriates me a lot of the time, but at
least he is trying to progress something in some direction.
I think
that this TC needs to actively revisit the ebRequirements stuff and draft
patterns to address those requirements with the stack that we have built these
past years. Lets schedule such a review. Lets create a template for these
patterns. Lets engage the TC membership in incremental review of this
work.
Next steps:
1. Review those requirements, produce an
analysis document specifying the required patterns. 2. Develop a pattern
template and some common language. 3. Develop patterns. Review.
Publish.
Comments?
-Matt
On May 19, 2004, at 7:44 PM,
Duane Nickull wrote:
David:
While this may be true, it is definitely premature
to make this post. We still have to get the doc to a 0.2
version.
There is not point in generating BPSS instances before we
have a runtime execution engine. I agree - there is an audience for this,
perhaps the bp related lists may be a better forum for now. I know this is
procedural and burocratic in nature but I guess I am part politician now
;-)
What we need now if a scope statement, pattern work, document
structure and help for editing. Love to see you contribute to that ;-) Then
let's discuss BP**
Duane
David RR Webber wrote:
Matt, Heck - if you don't want to see what I've been
working on - you don't have to do any of it. However the good news
is there are two files at the link - one is a JPG and the other is an
XML file. You can view the JPG and then inspect the XML that the
model generated. By examining the JPG you will see the components that
go into specifying a robust business process - and the
supporting linkages to the transport layer, the context system, and
transactions. Being able to drive all this with XML templates is IMHO a
key need for ebSOA, and while the BPSS approach may not be perfect
- its certainly one we should be lookiing at to understand how it
relates and can be leveraged. Also - since BPSS is middleware neutral -
there is a strong possibility it can be applied to the
ebSOA deployment environments. Then there is the fact that the BPSS
approach is derived and built-up from over twenty years of evolving
knowledge on business processes - not to mention - tightly couples to
the ebMS interchange model. But apart from that the patterns it uses
might strike some as being antiquated, while others will see them as
essential foundation business components. I'm just the messenger here ;
-) DW
----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew MacKenzie
<mailto:mattm@adobe.com> To: David RR Webber
<mailto:david@drrw.info> Cc: ebsoa
<mailto:ebsoa@lists.oasis-open.org> Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004
9:44 AM Subject: Re: [ebsoa] New BPSS V2 editor for ebSOA
Let me
get this straight...
I'm supposed to get a copy of your tool, and
download a BPSS sample. When I have this, I am somehow better prepared
to create a ebSOA model?
Lots of assumptions that I do not care
for...
- We will use VisualScript (does it run on Mac OS by the
way?) - We will use BPSS as a foundation technology. -
...
-Matt On May 19, 2004, at 10:36 AM, David RR Webber
wrote:
Team, I've uploaded the current beta
to: http://drrw.net/visualscripts/ You will see the "NEW" BPSS V2
example marked. To use this - download the ZIP file - and unpack it
into the TEMP directory on your C: drive (you can change the path
reference in the model - but its easier to just unpack it to c:\temp to
get started). This new model includes the ability to define Context
as part of the BPSS model - so it gives key insights into creating
process models that manage the business transactional needs, context,
and integration to the transport layer with ebMS, WSDL, http-binding,
RPC and more. I'm sure this will be a pivot point for getting our
ebSOA model and details honed so that it all works
harmoniously. Next I'm working on a quick PPT tutorial - so people can
easily step thru and create their own BPSS from scratch. Enjoy,
DW p.s. I'm also looking at the jBPM JBOSS engine - figuring I
can drive jBPM from the BPSS models....and thus transport layer and
implement a foundation piece for
ebSOA...
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