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Subject: Re: [ebsoa] SOA and Shared Semantics


David,

Thank you for giving me a useless answer that does not even come close
to addressing my question below, not once but twice. I obviously do not
even remotely get your point.

Frankly, I am looking for answers that I can convey to my US federal
clients, not (with all due respect to the efforts) some set of acronyms
that they are not even going to have heard of, because the efforts are
either too bleeding-edge for me to offer, or they have not been widely
enough embraced by the federal community and/or vendors to make them
appealing.

If we cannot get straight answers to simple, straightforward questions
like the ones that I posed below, I believe that the chances of this TC
being successful are - at this point - 2% at best. I hope we can
increase that soon.

Thanks,
Joe

David RR Webber wrote:
> 
> Joe,
> 
> That's my whole point.
> 
> The BCM/EPR work does provide a very broad
> set of usage scenarios.
> 
> I believe we need to build from a solid foundation.
> 
> If we just run after isolated aspects - we will
> lose the opportunity to provide a coherent
> solution set.
> 
> That is why I'm focusing on areas that provide
> such coherence to provide a sensible set of
> base requirements.
> 
> DW.
> 
> Quoting Chiusano Joseph <chiusano_joseph@bah.com>:
> 
> > Thanks David.
> >
> > How about in more general terms, stepping aside for a moment from
> > specific emerging initiatives - I'm thinking more generally, such as:
> > what role should ontologies play? Why are they important in this
> > context? How about metadata registries? etc.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Joe
> >
> > David RR Webber wrote:
> > >
> > > Joe,
> > >
> > > At this juncture I would like to point out
> > > that the BCM/EPR team is preparing a set of
> > > requirements for submission to ebSOA.
> > >
> > > This stems from the work and meetings in
> > > Norway over the past two weeks.
> > >
> > > And indeed semantic information is a
> > > significant part of this - not only
> > > for common understanding - but also
> > > when used to create ontologies and
> > > topic maps for discovery and reuse
> > > of components.
> > >
> > > The essence of the BCM/EPR needs can
> > > be distilled in part from the PPT
> > > presented in Norway - available
> > > from http://www.eprforum.org
> > >
> > > However - we are working on formalizing
> > > the exact mechanisms and base requirements
> > > so that an ebSOA based set of components
> > > can support an BCM/EPR deployment.
> > >
> > > It's obviously good to be able to focus
> > > on a real deployment model - to be able
> > > to hone exact requirements, and
> > > combination of requirements - rather than
> > > things being noted in a piecemeal fashion.
> > >
> > > Hope this helps.
> > >
> > > Thanks, DW
> > >
> > > Quoting Chiusano Joseph <chiusano_joseph@bah.com>:
> > >
> > > > Is this a topic that we're planning on including in our spec? (I think
> > > > we should) We can emphasize the role of ontologies in helping ensure
> > > > "shared semantic understanding" between participants in an SOA.
> > > >
> > > > Joe
> > > > --
> > > > Kind Regards,
> > > > Joseph Chiusano
> > > > Associate
> > > > Booz | Allen | Hamilton
> > > >
> > >
> > > http://drrw.net
> >
> > --
> > Kind Regards,
> > Joseph Chiusano
> > Associate
> > Booz | Allen | Hamilton
> >
> 
> http://drrw.net

-- 
Kind Regards,
Joseph Chiusano
Associate
Booz | Allen | Hamilton


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