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Subject: Re: [ebsoa] Scope of TC (was SOA and Shared Semantics / EditorsActionItem, et al)
David RR Webber wrote: > > Duane, > > Such 'best practice' stuff is the domain of the eGov TC - see their > document on ebMS recently - and note that the whole premise > behind best practice is some domain as a reference set. > > IMHO ebSOA is a technical specification that provides the > mechanisms and components that allow implementers to > successfully leverage a broad range of OASIS technologies > together as a coherent whole - while delivering on core > SOA characteristics (therein is the challenge - figuring that out). > > That is why I see BCM and EPR as instructive here - as > these are actual domains that are attempting to do exactly > this - provide people a roadmap to enable them to > successfully utilize SOA in a cost-effective and reliable > way that delivers the right amount of technology for > their business needs. The US Government spent two > years and significant manpower developing BCM; David, do you happen to have any references for this? (US Government and BCM) Thanks, Joe > likewise the Norwegian Government has invested > two years of effort in the EPR work. Not to mention > the huge effort dedicated to ebXML development > to date. > > Learning from, leveraging and extending these > open public specifications is I believe a clear > win for ebSOA. > > DW > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chiusano Joseph" <chiusano_joseph@bah.com> > To: "'ebSOA'" <ebsoa@lists.oasis-open.org> > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 12:46 PM > Subject: Re: [ebsoa] Scope of TC (was SOA and Shared Semantics / > EditorsActionItem, et al) > > > Thank Duane - my comment below that begins with "Very respectfully > > disagree. IMHO, the answer should reference mature..." was actually in > > reference to the Best Practices document. That is my core concern - that > > we will offer what we term "best practices" that implementors cannot > > even implement. At this point, I'm seriously questioning the connection > > of this TC's work to (please pardon my saying this) reality. > > > > Joe > > > > Duane Nickull wrote: > > > > > > Joseph: > > > > > > The specification itself will not normatively reference other standards > > > (perhaps a non-normative reference as a possible implementation choice > > > is possible). We are at a higher level than any specific concrete > > > implementation. We did agree to this. > > > > > > That is the entire basis for why our TC will also publish a "best > > > practices" document. That document will speak to the implementors at > > > the specific time and make such references. > > > > > > I hope that works for you. > > > > > > Duane > > > > > > Chiusano Joseph wrote: > > > > > > >Duane Nickull wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >>Chiusano Joseph wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>>..How well-equipped will we be > > > >>>to encourage adoption of our work if it relies so heavily on shaky > > > >>>foundations? > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>[DN] > > > >> > > > >>We will not rely on shaky foundations. I have made this mistake > writing > > > >>other architectural standards and advocate we do not repeat them here. > > > >> > > > >>Adoption of our standard may not be measured in specific > > > >>implementations. A metric may be how people think going forward. > When > > > >>someone asks the question "What is SOA and how can it benefit my > > > >>company?", the answer should be "Pick up and read a copy of the OASIS > eb > > > >>SOA Spec". > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >Very respectfully disagree. IMHO, the answer should reference mature > > > >standards that have been widely adopted within industry and government, > > > >and for which there is a more than adequate level of available vendor > > > >products, including some from what one would consider a major vendor. > > > > > > > >Joe > > > > > > > > > > > >>Duane > > > >> > > > >>-- > > > >>Senior Standards Strategist > > > >>Adobe Systems, Inc. > > > >>http://www.adobe.com > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Senior Standards Strategist > > > Adobe Systems, Inc. > > > http://www.adobe.com > > > > -- > > Kind Regards, > > Joseph Chiusano > > Associate > > Booz | Allen | Hamilton > > -- Kind Regards, Joseph Chiusano Associate Booz | Allen | Hamilton
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