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Subject: Re: [ebsoa] Scope of TC (was SOA and Shared Semantics / EditorsActionItem, et al)


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"Schuldt, Ron L" wrote:
> 
> For clarification, since the subject of this thread is "Scope of TC" I
> believe we will find mature open standards for many parts of the ebSOA
> architecture and associated best practices document. However, I also
> believe we will find some gaps (e.g., topics that lack mature open
> standards and/or best practices). I further believe that the topic of
> "shared semantics" is one example portion of the ebSOA architecture that
> currently has some mature open standards (e.g., OWL, RDF, CCTS, ISO/IEC
> 11179)  but also lacks some key mature open standards and best practices
> (e.g., integration frameworks and common ontologies). For the gaps, it
> may be necessary to identify some candidates that are less than mature
> (according to your definition) that warrant consideration by the
> audience and the implementers.
> 
> Ron
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chiusano Joseph [mailto:chiusano_joseph@bah.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 11:06 AM
> To: ebSOA
> Subject: Re: [ebsoa] Scope of TC (was SOA and Shared Semantics /
> EditorsActionItem, et al)
> 
> Sorry Ron, I did not understand your comment (and there's no fear here
> at all - just trying to discern what our direction is).
> 
> Joe
> 
> "Schuldt, Ron L" wrote:
> >
> > Joe,
> >
> > It appears to me that you have a fear that some idea might be entered
> > into the best practices document where perhaps no best practice
> > currently exists that would fully satisfy your definition. By the way,
> I
> > would like to add "open" as a key requirement. IMHO the topic of
> shared
> > semantics is one such topic.
> >
> > Ron Schuldt
> > Senior Staff Systems Architect
> > Lockheed Martin Enterprise Information Systems
> > 11757 W. Ken Caryl Ave.
> > #F521 Mail Point DC5694
> > Littleton, CO 80127
> > 303-977-1414
> > ron.l.schuldt@lmco.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chiusano Joseph [mailto:chiusano_joseph@bah.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 10:46 AM
> > To: 'ebSOA'
> > Subject: Re: [ebsoa] Scope of TC (was SOA and Shared Semantics /
> > EditorsActionItem, et al)
> >
> > Thank Duane - my comment below that begins with "Very respectfully
> > disagree. IMHO, the answer should reference mature..." was actually in
> > reference to the Best Practices document. That is my core concern -
> that
> > we will offer what we term "best practices" that implementors cannot
> > even implement. At this point, I'm seriously questioning the
> connection
> > of this TC's work to (please pardon my saying this) reality.
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > Duane Nickull wrote:
> > >
> > > Joseph:
> > >
> > > The specification itself will not normatively reference other
> > standards
> > > (perhaps a non-normative reference as a possible implementation
> choice
> > > is possible). We are at a higher level than any specific concrete
> > > implementation.  We did agree to this.
> > >
> > > That is the entire basis for why our TC will also publish a "best
> > > practices" document.  That document will speak to the implementors
> at
> > > the specific time and make such references.
> > >
> > > I hope that works for you.
> > >
> > > Duane
> > >
> > > Chiusano Joseph wrote:
> > >
> > > >Duane Nickull wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>Chiusano Joseph wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>..How well-equipped will we be
> > > >>>to encourage adoption of our work if it relies so heavily on
> shaky
> > > >>>foundations?
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>[DN]
> > > >>
> > > >>We will not rely on shaky foundations.  I have made this mistake
> > writing
> > > >>other architectural standards and advocate we do not repeat them
> > here.
> > > >>
> > > >>Adoption of our standard may not be measured in specific
> > > >>implementations.  A metric may be how people think going forward.
> > When
> > > >>someone asks the question "What is SOA and how can it benefit my
> > > >>company?", the answer should be "Pick up and read a copy of the
> > OASIS eb
> > > >>SOA Spec".
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >Very respectfully disagree. IMHO, the answer should reference
> mature
> > > >standards that have been widely adopted within industry and
> > government,
> > > >and for which there is a more than adequate level of available
> vendor
> > > >products, including some from what one would consider a major
> vendor.
> > > >
> > > >Joe
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>Duane
> > > >>
> > > >>--
> > > >>Senior Standards Strategist
> > > >>Adobe Systems, Inc.
> > > >>http://www.adobe.com
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Senior Standards Strategist
> > > Adobe Systems, Inc.
> > > http://www.adobe.com
> >
> > --
> > Kind Regards,
> > Joseph Chiusano
> > Associate
> > Booz | Allen | Hamilton
> 
> --
> Kind Regards,
> Joseph Chiusano
> Associate
> Booz | Allen | Hamilton

-- 
Kind Regards,
Joseph Chiusano
Associate
Booz | Allen | Hamilton


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