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Subject: Re: [ebsoa] Scope of TC (was SOA and Shared Semantics / EditorsActionItem, et al)
++1 "Schuldt, Ron L" wrote: > > For clarification, since the subject of this thread is "Scope of TC" I > believe we will find mature open standards for many parts of the ebSOA > architecture and associated best practices document. However, I also > believe we will find some gaps (e.g., topics that lack mature open > standards and/or best practices). I further believe that the topic of > "shared semantics" is one example portion of the ebSOA architecture that > currently has some mature open standards (e.g., OWL, RDF, CCTS, ISO/IEC > 11179) but also lacks some key mature open standards and best practices > (e.g., integration frameworks and common ontologies). For the gaps, it > may be necessary to identify some candidates that are less than mature > (according to your definition) that warrant consideration by the > audience and the implementers. > > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chiusano Joseph [mailto:chiusano_joseph@bah.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 11:06 AM > To: ebSOA > Subject: Re: [ebsoa] Scope of TC (was SOA and Shared Semantics / > EditorsActionItem, et al) > > Sorry Ron, I did not understand your comment (and there's no fear here > at all - just trying to discern what our direction is). > > Joe > > "Schuldt, Ron L" wrote: > > > > Joe, > > > > It appears to me that you have a fear that some idea might be entered > > into the best practices document where perhaps no best practice > > currently exists that would fully satisfy your definition. By the way, > I > > would like to add "open" as a key requirement. IMHO the topic of > shared > > semantics is one such topic. > > > > Ron Schuldt > > Senior Staff Systems Architect > > Lockheed Martin Enterprise Information Systems > > 11757 W. Ken Caryl Ave. > > #F521 Mail Point DC5694 > > Littleton, CO 80127 > > 303-977-1414 > > ron.l.schuldt@lmco.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Chiusano Joseph [mailto:chiusano_joseph@bah.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 10:46 AM > > To: 'ebSOA' > > Subject: Re: [ebsoa] Scope of TC (was SOA and Shared Semantics / > > EditorsActionItem, et al) > > > > Thank Duane - my comment below that begins with "Very respectfully > > disagree. IMHO, the answer should reference mature..." was actually in > > reference to the Best Practices document. That is my core concern - > that > > we will offer what we term "best practices" that implementors cannot > > even implement. At this point, I'm seriously questioning the > connection > > of this TC's work to (please pardon my saying this) reality. > > > > Joe > > > > Duane Nickull wrote: > > > > > > Joseph: > > > > > > The specification itself will not normatively reference other > > standards > > > (perhaps a non-normative reference as a possible implementation > choice > > > is possible). We are at a higher level than any specific concrete > > > implementation. We did agree to this. > > > > > > That is the entire basis for why our TC will also publish a "best > > > practices" document. That document will speak to the implementors > at > > > the specific time and make such references. > > > > > > I hope that works for you. > > > > > > Duane > > > > > > Chiusano Joseph wrote: > > > > > > >Duane Nickull wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >>Chiusano Joseph wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>>..How well-equipped will we be > > > >>>to encourage adoption of our work if it relies so heavily on > shaky > > > >>>foundations? > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>[DN] > > > >> > > > >>We will not rely on shaky foundations. I have made this mistake > > writing > > > >>other architectural standards and advocate we do not repeat them > > here. > > > >> > > > >>Adoption of our standard may not be measured in specific > > > >>implementations. A metric may be how people think going forward. > > When > > > >>someone asks the question "What is SOA and how can it benefit my > > > >>company?", the answer should be "Pick up and read a copy of the > > OASIS eb > > > >>SOA Spec". > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >Very respectfully disagree. IMHO, the answer should reference > mature > > > >standards that have been widely adopted within industry and > > government, > > > >and for which there is a more than adequate level of available > vendor > > > >products, including some from what one would consider a major > vendor. > > > > > > > >Joe > > > > > > > > > > > >>Duane > > > >> > > > >>-- > > > >>Senior Standards Strategist > > > >>Adobe Systems, Inc. > > > >>http://www.adobe.com > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Senior Standards Strategist > > > Adobe Systems, Inc. > > > http://www.adobe.com > > > > -- > > Kind Regards, > > Joseph Chiusano > > Associate > > Booz | Allen | Hamilton > > -- > Kind Regards, > Joseph Chiusano > Associate > Booz | Allen | Hamilton -- Kind Regards, Joseph Chiusano Associate Booz | Allen | Hamilton
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