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Subject: Re: [ebsoa] SOA and Shared Semantics


Ron,

I think that would be best - my access times out too.

Thanks, DW.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Schuldt, Ron L" <ron.l.schuldt@lmco.com>
To: "Chiusano Joseph" <chiusano_joseph@bah.com>; "ebSOA"
<ebsoa@lists.oasis-open.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 5:51 PM
Subject: RE: [ebsoa] SOA and Shared Semantics


> ebSOA Team,
>
> I don't seem to have a problem getting to the
> http://www.meiim.com/eii_events.htm Web site - however, it is responding
> very slowly.
>
> If others are experiencing the same problem as Joe, I could post the
> documents on the ebSOA Web site.
>
> Ron
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chiusano Joseph [mailto:chiusano_joseph@bah.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 1:10 PM
> To: ebSOA
> Subject: Re: [ebsoa] SOA and Shared Semantics
>
>
> Ron,
>
> Thanks for the information below on the DLA EII workshop. I noted that
> the links below are no longer resolveable, and a Google search did not
> yield any results. Would you happen to know where else we might find
> this information?
>
> Thanks,
> Joe
>
> "Schuldt, Ron L" wrote:
> >
> > ebSOA Team,
> >
> > On Monday and Tuesday of this week, I participated in an "invitation
> > only" Enterprise Information Integration (EII) workshop that was
> > sponsored by the Defense Logistics Agency. The focus of the EII
> workshop
> > was semantics integration solutions to solve a case study (but real
> > world problem) involving legacy systems. Approximately 55-60 "thought
> > leaders" were invited to the workshop. The attendees represented the
> > following -- DoD, the military services, other government agencies,
> > prime contractors (Lockheed Martin and Boeing), IT vendors (IBM,
> > Microsoft, Unicorn, MetaMatrix, Contivo, Network Inference, and
> others),
> > standards bodies (X12, IEEE, ebXML and W3C) and recognized experts on
> > the topics of OWL, RDF, Topic Maps, UDEF, and other semantics
> > integration concepts and technologies.
> >
> > In addition to an outstanding keynote presentation by Jeff Pollock on
> > the subject of semantics integration, the outbriefs by the three teams
> > warrant your review - see http://www.meiim.com/eii_events.htm
> >
> > Following several presentations on Monday morning, the attendees were
> > divided into three teams and each was asked to solve the same case
> > study. Although the case study was fictitious, it illustrated a real
> > world condition involving legacy systems. You can gain some insight to
> > the problem by looking at http://www.meiim.com/enter_EII.htm
> >
> > All three workgroups were assigned the same case study titled "DoD
> > Widget Procurement System (WPS)." Within a four hour time span, each
> > team was expected to develop an overview of the proposed plan and
> > approach; develop an AS-IS characterization of the existing WPS
> > environment; develop a TO-BE systems architecture; discuss how the
> group
> > plans to overcome some of the obstacles cited in the case study; and
> > project downstream cost savings and cost avoidance opportunities.
> >
> > The outbriefs by each team contained some common key elements within
> the
> > TO-BE architecture - specifically the need for a "loosely coupled"
> > metamodel (based on an ontology) and the use of OWL and RDF. Each team
> > briefed the DLA customer who was very pleased with the product
> developed
> > by each team. For reference, I was part of team #2.
> >
> > IMHO the outbriefs by the three teams plus the presentation by Jeff
> > Pollock provide a solid starting point for any discussions regarding
> > "shared semantics" by this list.
> >
> > Ron Schuldt
> > Senior Staff Systems Architect
> > Lockheed Martin Enterprise Information Systems
> > 11757 W. Ken Caryl Ave.
> > #F521 Mail Point DC5694
> > Littleton, CO 80127
> > 303-977-1414
> > ron.l.schuldt@lmco.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chiusano Joseph [mailto:chiusano_joseph@bah.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 5:33 PM
> > To: ebSOA
> > Subject: Re: [ebsoa] SOA and Shared Semantics
> >
> > David,
> >
> > Thank you for giving me a useless answer that does not even come close
> > to addressing my question below, not once but twice. I obviously do
> not
> > even remotely get your point.
> >
> > Frankly, I am looking for answers that I can convey to my US federal
> > clients, not (with all due respect to the efforts) some set of
> acronyms
> > that they are not even going to have heard of, because the efforts are
> > either too bleeding-edge for me to offer, or they have not been widely
> > enough embraced by the federal community and/or vendors to make them
> > appealing.
> >
> > If we cannot get straight answers to simple, straightforward questions
> > like the ones that I posed below, I believe that the chances of this
> TC
> > being successful are - at this point - 2% at best. I hope we can
> > increase that soon.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Joe
> >
> > David RR Webber wrote:
> > >
> > > Joe,
> > >
> > > That's my whole point.
> > >
> > > The BCM/EPR work does provide a very broad
> > > set of usage scenarios.
> > >
> > > I believe we need to build from a solid foundation.
> > >
> > > If we just run after isolated aspects - we will
> > > lose the opportunity to provide a coherent
> > > solution set.
> > >
> > > That is why I'm focusing on areas that provide
> > > such coherence to provide a sensible set of
> > > base requirements.
> > >
> > > DW.
> > >
> > > Quoting Chiusano Joseph <chiusano_joseph@bah.com>:
> > >
> > > > Thanks David.
> > > >
> > > > How about in more general terms, stepping aside for a moment from
> > > > specific emerging initiatives - I'm thinking more generally, such
> > as:
> > > > what role should ontologies play? Why are they important in this
> > > > context? How about metadata registries? etc.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Joe
> > > >
> > > > David RR Webber wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Joe,
> > > > >
> > > > > At this juncture I would like to point out
> > > > > that the BCM/EPR team is preparing a set of
> > > > > requirements for submission to ebSOA.
> > > > >
> > > > > This stems from the work and meetings in
> > > > > Norway over the past two weeks.
> > > > >
> > > > > And indeed semantic information is a
> > > > > significant part of this - not only
> > > > > for common understanding - but also
> > > > > when used to create ontologies and
> > > > > topic maps for discovery and reuse
> > > > > of components.
> > > > >
> > > > > The essence of the BCM/EPR needs can
> > > > > be distilled in part from the PPT
> > > > > presented in Norway - available
> > > > > from http://www.eprforum.org
> > > > >
> > > > > However - we are working on formalizing
> > > > > the exact mechanisms and base requirements
> > > > > so that an ebSOA based set of components
> > > > > can support an BCM/EPR deployment.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's obviously good to be able to focus
> > > > > on a real deployment model - to be able
> > > > > to hone exact requirements, and
> > > > > combination of requirements - rather than
> > > > > things being noted in a piecemeal fashion.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hope this helps.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks, DW
> > > > >
> > > > > Quoting Chiusano Joseph <chiusano_joseph@bah.com>:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Is this a topic that we're planning on including in our spec?
> (I
> > think
> > > > > > we should) We can emphasize the role of ontologies in helping
> > ensure
> > > > > > "shared semantic understanding" between participants in an
> SOA.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Joe
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Kind Regards,
> > > > > > Joseph Chiusano
> > > > > > Associate
> > > > > > Booz | Allen | Hamilton
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > http://drrw.net
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Kind Regards,
> > > > Joseph Chiusano
> > > > Associate
> > > > Booz | Allen | Hamilton
> > > >
> > >
> > > http://drrw.net
> >
> > --
> > Kind Regards,
> > Joseph Chiusano
> > Associate
> > Booz | Allen | Hamilton
>
> -- 
> Kind Regards,
> Joseph Chiusano
> Associate
> Booz | Allen | Hamilton
>



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