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Subject: Re: [ebsoa] Groups - Provisional Charter (Draft) (NEW-Charter-v0dot1_DRAFT.doc) uploaded


Matt,

Assuming enough people share your enthusiasm for creating SOA RM then
you need to muster those troops.

However - I know from experience that people happily say "just form another
TC"
but are then always too busy to actually do all the hard graft and
adminstrative
procedures to actually do that.

Therefore I'm just cautioning - you may want to have a SC first as an
interim
step to getting a full TC put together.

DW

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <mattm@adobe.com>
To: "Duane Nickull" <dnickull@adobe.com>
Cc: <ebsoa@lists.oasis-open.org>; "David RR Webber" <david@drrw.info>
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: [ebsoa] Groups - Provisional Charter (Draft)
(NEW-Charter-v0dot1_DRAFT.doc) uploaded


> I personally want to separate the RM work from ebsoa.  ebsoa has a
> connotation that I am no longer interested in propagating.
>
> -Matt
>
> On 7-Dec-04, at 8:03 PM, Duane Nickull wrote:
>
> > David:
> >
> > That is a subject for discussion tomorrow.  What we may want to do is
> > to have the constituency that wants to complete this work keep working
> > on it while a separate group does the work on an SOA Reference Model
> > that is not ebXML or Web Services.
> >
> > I am sure that if people are willing to complete the work we started,
> > we will elect to do that and leave the current TC in place.  It would
> > be nice to do both if there are sufficient hordes willing to do the
> > work.
> >
> > ;-)
> >
> > Duane
> >
> > David RR Webber wrote:
> >
> >> Duane,
> >>
> >> I believe this dog does not hunt.
> >>
> >> First - the whole topic of SOA is too vast an ocean to attempt to
> >> boil -
> >> especially
> >> in only 18 months.
> >>
> >> Second - the whole original point was to start from the basis of ebXML
> >> architecture
> >> and to leverage that five years worth of work, of which you were an
> >> integral
> >> part.
> >>
> >> Third - the ebXML architecture is really coming into focus
> >> beautifully now
> >> with
> >> the work on BPSS V2, context, CPA V3, CAM, noun semantics, Federated
> >> Registry,
> >> harmonizing web service methods with ebXML, BPMN and more - so this
> >> is the
> >> perfect
> >> opportunity to provide rapid progress in a six month time frame - Q1
> >> - Q2
> >> 2005 that is
> >> a golden opportunity not to be missed.
> >>
> >> Fourth - if you really really really want to go off and pursue the
> >> ocean of
> >> SOA - I would
> >> respectfully suggest that is a new TC effort entirely - and one which
> >> you
> >> are obviously
> >> free to start in addition to the ebSOA TC as the OASIS process allows.
> >>
> >> However - I believe the constituency here wishes to complete the work
> >> on
> >> ebSOA first
> >> before launching out into another ocean.
> >>
> >> The latest BPSS V2 specification is a diamond and we can do much to
> >> support
> >> the
> >> watershed achievement and show the world how to take advantage of
> >> these
> >> powerful
> >> tools for creating ebSOA systems.
> >>
> >> Cheers, DW
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: <dnickull@adobe.com>
> >> To: <ebsoa@lists.oasis-open.org>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 5:46 PM
> >> Subject: [ebsoa] Groups - Provisional Charter (Draft)
> >> (NEW-Charter-v0dot1_DRAFT.doc) uploaded
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> The document named Provisional Charter (Draft)
> >>> (NEW-Charter-v0dot1_DRAFT.doc) has been submitted by Duane Nickull
> >>> to the
> >>> OASIS Electronic Business Service Oriented Architecture (ebSOA) TC
> >>>
> >> document
> >>
> >>> repository.
> >>>
> >>> Document Description:
> >>> Draft of potential new charter for re-chartering group.
> >>>
> >>> Download Document:
> >>>
> >>>
> >> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ebsoa/download.php/
> >> 10488/NEW-Charter-v0dot1_DRAFT.doc
> >>
> >>> View Document Details:
> >>>
> >>>
> >> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ebsoa/document.php?
> >> document_id=10488
> >>
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