Re: [ebsoa] Groups - Provisional Charter (Draft) (NEW-Charter-v0dot1_DRAFT.doc) uploaded

["David RR Webber" <david@drrw.info>]

Matt,

To be fair - we'd kinda assumed you and Duane were carying the load here
while we've been actively engaged on related important tasks too.

If you are setting the load down - then others will have to step in and
pick it up - we expect that - its a team effort afterall.

DW

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Matthew MacKenzie" <mattm@adobe.com>
To: "'David RR Webber'" <david@drrw.info>; "'Duane Nickull'"
<dnickull@adobe.com>
Cc: <ebsoa@lists.oasis-open.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 10:12 AM
Subject: RE: [ebsoa] Groups - Provisional Charter (Draft)
(NEW-Charter-v0dot1_DRAFT.doc) uploaded


> In case you haven't noticed, ebSOA's participation vs membership number is
a
> bit lopsided.  Its not like ebSOA is in a strong place right now.
>
> -matt
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David RR Webber [mailto:david@drrw.info]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 7:56 AM
> To: mattm@adobe.com; Duane Nickull
> Cc: ebsoa@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: Re: [ebsoa] Groups - Provisional Charter (Draft)
> (NEW-Charter-v0dot1_DRAFT.doc) uploaded
>
> Matt,
>
> Assuming enough people share your enthusiasm for creating SOA RM then
> you need to muster those troops.
>
> However - I know from experience that people happily say "just form
another
> TC"
> but are then always too busy to actually do all the hard graft and
> adminstrative
> procedures to actually do that.
>
> Therefore I'm just cautioning - you may want to have a SC first as an
> interim
> step to getting a full TC put together.
>
> DW
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <mattm@adobe.com>
> To: "Duane Nickull" <dnickull@adobe.com>
> Cc: <ebsoa@lists.oasis-open.org>; "David RR Webber" <david@drrw.info>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 9:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [ebsoa] Groups - Provisional Charter (Draft)
> (NEW-Charter-v0dot1_DRAFT.doc) uploaded
>
>
> > I personally want to separate the RM work from ebsoa.  ebsoa has a
> > connotation that I am no longer interested in propagating.
> >
> > -Matt
> >
> > On 7-Dec-04, at 8:03 PM, Duane Nickull wrote:
> >
> > > David:
> > >
> > > That is a subject for discussion tomorrow.  What we may want to do is
> > > to have the constituency that wants to complete this work keep working
> > > on it while a separate group does the work on an SOA Reference Model
> > > that is not ebXML or Web Services.
> > >
> > > I am sure that if people are willing to complete the work we started,
> > > we will elect to do that and leave the current TC in place.  It would
> > > be nice to do both if there are sufficient hordes willing to do the
> > > work.
> > >
> > > ;-)
> > >
> > > Duane
> > >
> > > David RR Webber wrote:
> > >
> > >> Duane,
> > >>
> > >> I believe this dog does not hunt.
> > >>
> > >> First - the whole topic of SOA is too vast an ocean to attempt to
> > >> boil -
> > >> especially
> > >> in only 18 months.
> > >>
> > >> Second - the whole original point was to start from the basis of
ebXML
> > >> architecture
> > >> and to leverage that five years worth of work, of which you were an
> > >> integral
> > >> part.
> > >>
> > >> Third - the ebXML architecture is really coming into focus
> > >> beautifully now
> > >> with
> > >> the work on BPSS V2, context, CPA V3, CAM, noun semantics, Federated
> > >> Registry,
> > >> harmonizing web service methods with ebXML, BPMN and more - so this
> > >> is the
> > >> perfect
> > >> opportunity to provide rapid progress in a six month time frame - Q1
> > >> - Q2
> > >> 2005 that is
> > >> a golden opportunity not to be missed.
> > >>
> > >> Fourth - if you really really really want to go off and pursue the
> > >> ocean of
> > >> SOA - I would
> > >> respectfully suggest that is a new TC effort entirely - and one which
> > >> you
> > >> are obviously
> > >> free to start in addition to the ebSOA TC as the OASIS process
allows.
> > >>
> > >> However - I believe the constituency here wishes to complete the work
> > >> on
> > >> ebSOA first
> > >> before launching out into another ocean.
> > >>
> > >> The latest BPSS V2 specification is a diamond and we can do much to
> > >> support
> > >> the
> > >> watershed achievement and show the world how to take advantage of
> > >> these
> > >> powerful
> > >> tools for creating ebSOA systems.
> > >>
> > >> Cheers, DW
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: <dnickull@adobe.com>
> > >> To: <ebsoa@lists.oasis-open.org>
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 5:46 PM
> > >> Subject: [ebsoa] Groups - Provisional Charter (Draft)
> > >> (NEW-Charter-v0dot1_DRAFT.doc) uploaded
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> The document named Provisional Charter (Draft)
> > >>> (NEW-Charter-v0dot1_DRAFT.doc) has been submitted by Duane Nickull
> > >>> to the
> > >>> OASIS Electronic Business Service Oriented Architecture (ebSOA) TC
> > >>>
> > >> document
> > >>
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> > >>>
> > >>> Document Description:
> > >>> Draft of potential new charter for re-chartering group.
> > >>>
> > >>> Download Document:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ebsoa/download.php/
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