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Subject: Re: [ebsoa] events and agents as defined in an ebSOA


CPID is an XML document which content is based on ebSOA Information Model 
(IM). It contains ebSOA IM entities with attributes and relationships needed 
to represent and support run-time context and content of collaborative 
processes. We define two types of collaborative processes: processes with 
context and content persistence and processes with context persistence only. 
Both context and content information is stored in a standard registry via 

ebSOA IM has three parts: Federation IM (FIM), Collaborative Process IM 
(CPIM) and Collaborative Process Flow IM (CPFIM). FIM is more common 
WS/ebXML collaboration business artifacts based model that defines any 
business document meta-data and content creation and management while CPIM 
and CPFIM include more collaboration semantics related entities. All of them 
can be presented in a standard based registry language (i.e., OASIS ebXML 
Registry, OASIS UDDI Registry, etc.). As a proof of concept, we tested CPIDs 
written in OASIS ebXML Registry (RIM and RS) with ebXMLsoft Registry using 
ExtrinsicObjects, Slots, Associations, etc. and everything worked fine. With 
a single ebXML RS SubmitObjectsRequest you can submit an entire 
collaboration ebSOA IM to the ebXML Registry and create all ebSOA IM 
registry objects needed for the collaboration. We would also like to 
approach UDDI TC and see if we can do the same proof of concept with them.

Since we support standard convergence and since ebSOA IM also includes all 
common collaboration entities (i.e., events, actions, activities, decisions, 
clusters, sequences, roles, rules, metrics, etc.)  we hope that it will be 
endorsed as a standard ebSOA Collaboration Semantics Information Model by 
OASIS (together with our ebSOA Collaboration Semantics) and be added to the 
standard based registry languages (ebXML Registry, UDDI, etc.). In that 
case, with ebSOA IM you can write a CPID for any collaboration scenario in a 
single format that will be executed the same way in any standard based 
registry that supports ebSOA IM. Today, you have one ebSOA IM CPID format 
for ebXML Registry and another one for UDDI Registry. They are still 
standard formats but written in two different languages.

Today's most common collaboration standards, OASIS ebXML BP and OASIS WSBPEL 
do not formally provide information models. Our ebSOA IM can also be used to 
support both of them because the ebSOA IM is a kind of super-set of 
collaboration entities used in both of them. We might have some terminology 
differences which can be resolved. If any of the entities used by these two 
standards are missing we are willing to add them as well. This way we can 
have a universal collaboration semantics IM that can be used for external 
collaborations, internal collaborations and (collaboration) semantic 
integration. ebSOA IM with CPID is a good example for standard convergence.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Carl Mattocks" <carlmattocks@checkmi.com>
To: "Goran Zugic" <gzugic@ebxmlsoft.com>
Cc: "Dan Pattyn" <danpattyn@austin.rr.com>; <john@crossconnections.ws>; 
"'David Webber '" <david@drrw.info>; <vasco.drecun@cpd-associates.com>; 
"'Dale Castle'" <dcastle@ebxmlsoft.com>; "'ebSOA OASIS TC'" 
<ebsoa@lists.oasis-open.org>; <richard.manning@sun.com>; <discuss@jxta.org>; 
<george.w.brown@intel.com>; <bcm@lists.oasis-open.org>; 
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [ebsoa] events and agents as defined in an ebSOA

> Goran :
> Please share with us whatever info you have on the Collaborative Process
> Information Document (CPID).
> I am copying the BCM & ebXMLRegistry folks since much of what you stated
> has been positively discussed in the TC meetings.
> carl
> <quote who="Goran Zugic">
>> Dan,
>> Thanks for putting this discussion back on the standard track.
>> I do not think that we have done a satisfactory job in regards to
>> presenting
>> our solution to David, John and the individuals from OASIS BCM TC. I want
>> to
>> assure you that our FERA-based ebSOA architectural solution includes all
>> aspects of the SOA architecture on the level of the specification details
>> that can be used for enterprise SOA implementations:
>> - Collaborations (internal and external),
>> - Security,
>> - Messaging,
>> - Protocol profiles and agreements,
>> - Universal business documents formatting,
>> - Registry and repository-based management of meta-data and business
>> artifacts,
>> - Business rules,
>> - Agent frameworks
>> Using the Federated Enterprise Reference Architecture (FERA) reference
>> model
>> we produced the set of ebSOA specifications needed to provide full
>> enterprise level SOA support from both a functional as well as
>> implementational point of view. We think that the missing factor in the
>> ebSOA architecture is the semantic integration which brings all of the
>> above
>> aspects together. We have fully defined the FERA-based ebSOA 
>> collaboration
>> semantics that resolves this problem. Our ebSOA collaboration semantics 
>> is
>> also based on the formally defined information model that can be stored 
>> in
>> a
>> standard registry like the OASIS ebXML Registry or OASIS UDDI Registry 
>> and
>> used to take care of both context and content related to any business
>> process. This is supported by a single open standard-based XML document 
>> we
>> call the Collaborative Process Information Document (CPID) that can be
>> generated from a business process definition in a visual modeling tool.
>> Submitting the content of this document to a standard registry will
>> generate
>> the entire collaboration process information model that together with
>> FERA-based  ebSOA collaboration semantics already implemented via
>> FERA-based
>> ebSOA managers (remember all FERA-based managers in ebSOA architecture -
>> Federation Manager, Agent Interface Manager, Event Manager, Activity
>> Manager, etc.) enables full open standard-based support for the 
>> enterprise
>> business collaboration processes of any complexity.
>> Another important aspect of our proposed solution is standard 
>> convergence.
>> We very much believe that standard convergence is the future and in our
>> architectural solution we reference the best "standard brands" available
>> today. It does not matter which standard body they are coming from. What
>> matters is the standard's value in the ebSOA functional offerings. For
>> example, these are some of the standard components we reference in the
>> Registry, OASIS UDDI, W3C SOAP, OASIS ebXML Messaging, WS-Security, OASIS
>> XACML, OASIS SAML, WS-Reliability and others.
>> We also want to mention that two important components of the FERA-based
>> ebSOA architecture, Agent Framework and Business Rules, are not supported
>> by
>> any standard today. OMG has two pending Requests For Proposals related to
>> business rules: Business Semantics of Business Rules and Production Rule
>> Representation. Our definition of a standard is a specification produced
>> and
>> approved in a large recognizable standard body like OASIS, W3C, OMG, 
>> IEEE,
>> etc.. Some specification components are coming from groups and programs
>> like
>> Java Community Process (JCP). While some of them achieved great success
>> over
>> last few years, we believe that ebSOA specification should reference
>> standard components first. However, when the standard is not provided we
>> recommend using other groups' specifications, but on the implementation
>> level only. We believe that if some industry groups have valued
>> specification offerings they should be encouraged to submit their spec
>> proposals to standard bodies and speed up the process of developing very
>> much needed standards that we do not have today.
>> I hope that this clarifies key aspects related to our FERA-based ebSOA
>> proposal and our vision about enterprise SOA.
>> Regards,
>> Goran
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dan Pattyn" <danpattyn@austin.rr.com>
>> To: <john@crossconnections.ws>; "'David Webber (XML)'" <david@drrw.info>
>> Cc: <vasco.drecun@cpd-associates.com>; "'Goran Zugic'"
>> <gzugic@ebxmlsoft.com>; "'Dale Castle'" <dcastle@ebxmlsoft.com>; "'ebSOA
>> OASIS TC'" <ebsoa@lists.oasis-open.org>; <richard.manning@sun.com>;
>> <discuss@jxta.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 11:08 AM
>> Subject: RE: [ebsoa] events and agents as defined in an ebSOA
>>>I have been looking at JXTA as a middleware peering discovery management
>>> mechanism for Asterisk the open source IP PBX. JXTA is available from
>>> Verizon and I have heard that Telenor and some other northern European
>>> telcos have incorporated a security model on top of JXTA.  Anybody know
>>> of
>>> these links.
>>> I don't know why we got off on the discussion of the implementation
>>> language. We should just be sending a declarative logic description of
>>> the
>>> service contract(policy and contract-- BPSS 3.0?) (XML? Or OWL?) to the
>>> agent ecosystem.  I think this is where the FERA CPIM comes into play.
>>> Verizon JXTA service for $14.95 a month.
>>> http://newscenter.verizon.com/kit/iobi/network.vtml
>>> http://newscenter.verizon.com/kit/iobi/profeatures.vtml
>>> http://newscenter.verizon.com/kit/iobi/enterprise.vtml
>>> You can provide the same services and epr functionality on Asterisk IP
>>> PBX
>>> offering enterprise level email with collaboration and federation
>>> support
>>> over VOIP with team specific collaboration presence, discovery, and role
>>> based availability.  Eventually they will figure out how to add services
>>> on
>>> top of this generic infrastructure service.  Maybe they will look to
>>> ebSOA????
>>> Dan
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: john c hardin [mailto:johnchardin@comcast.net]
>>> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 2:46 PM
>>> To: David Webber (XML)
>>> Cc: john@crossconnections.ws; Dan Pattyn;
>>> vasco.drecun@cpd-associates.com;
>>> Goran Zugic; Dale Castle; ebSOA OASIS TC; richard.manning@sun.com;
>>> discuss@jxta.org
>>> Subject: Re: [ebsoa] events and agents as defined in an ebSOA
>>> Understood David, thank you. I was suggesting that we use applicable
>>> universal
>>> "concepts" from the JXTA projects, not the actual implementation.
>>> Obviously,
>>> JXTA could be implemented as an agent framework if the implementer chose
>>> to
>>> do so.
>>> I just wanted to make sure that we get a well-rounded picture of agent
>>> concepts.
>>> David Webber (XML) wrote:
>>>> John,
>>>> The caveat I have is simple - the design of ebSOA should be
>>>> implementation
>>>> language
>>>> neutral.
>>>> That is the whole point behind the BCM linking and switching - its
>>>> based
>>> on
>>>> classical
>>>> declarative logic processing - and can be expressed as XML structures -
>>> that
>>>> can
>>>> then be read and processed by any agent engine.
>>>> There are literally 100 different agent engines out there - all with
>>>> their
>>>> own
>>>> proprietary syntan and API - (even if they are written in Java - or
>>>> maybe
>>>> especially
>>>> if they are written in Java!).
>>>> What the world does not have is a common method of integrating *all*
>>> these.
>>>> That I believe is where traditionally OASIS can look to make a
>>>> significant
>>>> contribution...
>>>> DW
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "john c hardin" <johnchardin@comcast.net>
>>>> To: <john@crossconnections.ws>
>>>> Cc: "Dan Pattyn" <danpattyn@austin.rr.com>; "David RR Webber"
>>>> <david@drrw.info>; <vasco.drecun@cpd-associates.com>; "Goran Zugic"
>>>> <gzugic@ebxmlsoft.com>; "Dale Castle" <dcastle@ebxmlsoft.com>; "ebSOA
>>>> TC" <ebsoa@lists.oasis-open.org>; <richard.manning@sun.com>;
>>>> <discuss@jxta.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 2:48 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [ebsoa] events and agents as defined in an ebSOA
>>>>>Richard Manning from Sun Microsystems presented on JXTA at the 2004
>>>> Symposium.
>>>>>Slides are found at:
>>>>>john c hardin wrote:
>>>>>>I would like to start a conversation on the list re: the agent
>>>>>>architecture, as proposed in the Federated Enterprise Reference
>>>>>>Architecture approach.
>>>>>>Thanks to Goran, Vasco and the ebXMLsoft team for creating the
>>>>>>presentation attached, and to David Webber and Dan Pattyn for pointing
>>>>>>me to the BCM material.
>>>>>>I think that there are several inputs that we can include to round out
>>>>>>the ideas of a non-intrusive, event-driven agent model. Opinions are
>>>>>>requested from the group on these, and preferences for how to specify
>>>>>>the agent mechanisms using a combination of the approaches here:
>>>>>>- The Agent Framework is described in the attached BCM / FERA
>>>>>>presentation. There is a lot of good material here, however, we need
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>make sure that we are re-using stable OASIS specs where possible. I
>>>>>>would like to map the specifications mentioned in the presentation to
>>>>>>the existing specs.
>>>>>>- The BCM Linking and Switching as a mechanism to bind to the agent
>>>>>>- Possibly including JXTA concepts, where possible, as they describe
>>>>>>peering between components and applications.
>>>>>>- Complex Event Processing, using the concepts outlined by David
>>>>>>Luckham: From http://www.complexevents.com/
>>>>>>Complex Event Processing (CEP) is an emerging technology for building
>>>>>>and managing information systems including:
>>>>>>    * Business Activity Monitoring
>>>>>>    * Business Process Management
>>>>>>    * Enterprise Application Integration
>>>>>>    * Event-Driven Architectures
>>>>>>    * Application Servers and Middleware
>>>>>>    * Network and Systems Security
>>>>>john c hardin
>>>>>Chair, OASIS ebSOA Technical Committee
>>>>>313.279.1377 new *VONAGE* number
>>>>>"The new electronic interdependence recreates the world in the image of
>>>>> a
>>>> global
>>>>>     Marshall McLuhan, "Gutenberg Galaxy", 1962
>>> --
>>> ~~~~~~~~~
>>> john c hardin
>>> Chair, OASIS ebSOA Technical Committee
>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=ebsoa
>>> 313.279.1377 new *VONAGE* number
>>> mailto:john@crossconnections.ws
>>> "The new electronic interdependence recreates the world in the image of
>>> a
>>> global
>>> village."
>>>     Marshall McLuhan, "Gutenberg Galaxy", 1962
> -- 
> Carl Mattocks
> co-Chair OASIS (ISO/TS 15000) ebXMLRegistry Semantic Content SC
> co-Chair OASIS Business Centric Methodology TC
> v/f (usa) 908 322 8715
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