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Subject: Re: [ebsoa] Re: [soa-rm] RE: [ebsoa] Liaison meeting between SOA-RM and ebSOA

I think the ebSOA needs to first spend some time refining our work. Make sure the members of the ebSOA TC understand the base documents the same way. (It would be somewhat embarrassing if we discuss our differences for the first time on another TC's time when they are seeking clarification/information.) I do not believe we have had the necessary calls/emails to explore the details of the submissions; and I do believe we need to peel back to get technical and semantic agreement & understanding.
When we go to other committees in my opinion we should go to those committes (or standard keepers) that have accepted (or defacto) standards first. We need to be able to state how we see the standards operating and solicit feedback on issues and suggestions. Including being prepared to hear negatives. Some of which may not be resolvable because working at a higher level, which FERA does, may expose inherent conflicts.
And how is FERA to be positioned within ebXML? Before FERA is deemed to be ebSOA or a model of ebSOA I think we need to spend time on the 2 steps I am suggesting. And there may be other steps. A number of people have been working on ebXML for a long time and have some strong opinions. (I am not one of them--the long timer that is)
Some thoughts for now, more to follow.

John Hardin <john@maphin.net> wrote:
Exactly what we intend to do. Sorry for the distraction Matt....

Matt MacKenzie wrote:
> I am personally not interested in liaison with the ebSOA team at this
> point. We are at a critical period in the road to completing our
> product and do not need any distractions.
> I recommend that members of the ebSOA team read our latest draft and
> start thinking about how they can make sure that ebSOA becomes the first
> reference architecture of SOA-RM.
> -Matt
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Duane Nickull [mailto:dnickull@adobe.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 10:17 AM
> To: John Hardin; soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org; ebSOA
> Subject: [soa-rm] RE: [ebsoa] Liaison meeting between SOA-RM and ebSOA
> John:
> We'll discuss this on our call tomorrow. What days are you suggesting?
> We have to make sure that what we are presenting it likely to be stable.
> Duane
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Hardin [mailto:john@maphin.net]
> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 4:07 PM
> To: soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org; ebSOA
> Subject: [ebsoa] Liaison meeting between SOA-RM and ebSOA
> SOA-RM team -
> The ebSOA team is hoping to have a meeting with the SOA-RM team, so that
> we might bring the TC up to speed on what we have been working on here
> in ebSOA... Ideally, we would like to make sure that we include the
> material from SOA-RM as it fits the Technical Architecture version 2.0
> that we are going to be completing over the next couple of months.
> We have been given a significant donation of some excellent material
> regarding FERA based SOA, and would like to present it to the SOA-RM
> group.
> Duane, could you setup a time for us to present?
> thanks
> john

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