Joe,
You misunderstood my response. The quote you referred to is worded accurately since it belongs to ESB that is a proprietary SOA messaging component that does not provide services orchestration and choreography.
Goran
-----Original Message-----
From: Chiusano Joseph [mailto:chiusano_joseph@bah.com]
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 11:40 AM
To: goran.zugic@semantion.com, 'Hamid Ben Malek', ebsoa@lists.oasis-open.org
Cc: 'Jacques Durand', 'John Hardin', vasco.drecun@cpd-associates.com
Subject: RE: [ebsoa] [ebsoa]: FW: the Versatile B2B gateway
Thanks for the explanation Goran. Based on that, I believe that the quote I referred to regarding ESB is worded inaccurately, as that there are numerous ESBs that implement open standards, and also that provide services orchestration and choreography.
Joe
Joseph Chiusano
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There are ESB-based and other SOA related products on the market supporting services orchestration and choreography and referencing some open standard-based components (WSBPEL, UDDI, etc,). The question is what level of support they provide and how open these solutions are. I do not want to argue about it now.
ESB by itself is a proprietary SOA related component that provides message exchanges, message transformation and message routing. FERA-based SOA is a complete semantically-based SOA reference architecture that supports all SOA layers from message exchanges to complex service orchestrations. We recommend ESB to be used for some FERA-based SOA Gateway component functions as long as ESB products support open standard-based communications. Some people prefer combination of open-standard and proprietary protocols in which case ESB products could also be a choice for the Gateway support.
Goran
-----Original Message-----
From: Chiusano Joseph [mailto:chiusano_joseph@bah.com]
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 10:47 AM
To: goran.zugic@semantion.com, 'Hamid Ben Malek', ebsoa@lists.oasis-open.org
Cc: 'Jacques Durand', 'John Hardin', vasco.drecun@cpd-associates.com
Subject: RE: [ebsoa] [ebsoa]: FW: the Versatile B2B gateway
I have a question please on the following from the attached:
<Quote>
However, there are two issues related to the ESB:
? ESB is not open standard-based
? ESB does not provide services orchestration and choreography
</Quote>
Does "ESB" refer to any particular ESB product, or ESBs in general? The reason I ask is that there are numerous ESBs that implement open standards, and also that provide services orchestration and choreography.
Thanks,
Joe
Joseph Chiusano
Associate
Booz Allen Hamilton
700 13th St. NW, Suite 1100
Washington, DC 20005
O: 202-508-6514
C: 202-251-0731
Jacques and Hamid,
This is our inital response with FERA-based SOA related feedback and comments. If additional comments are received from ebSOA TC editors they will be sent to you. Please let me know if you want to discuss further on this.
Regards,
Goran
-----Original Message-----
From: Hamid Ben Malek [mailto:HMalek@us.fujitsu.com]
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 05:44 PM
To: ebsoa@lists.oasis-open.org
Cc: 'Jacques Durand', 'John Hardin'
Subject: [ebsoa] [ebsoa]: FW: the Versatile B2B gateway
This is from Jacques.
From: Jacques Durand
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 2:27 PM
To: Hamid Ben Malek
Subject: FW: the Versatile B2B gateway
Hamid:
Can you take care of submitting this to ebSOA list? It appears it did not make it to their archive ? I did not have the right to post I guess.
-Jacques
From: Jacques Durand
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 12:10 PM
To: 'John Hardin'; ebSOA
Subject: the Versatile B2B gateway
Contribution to OASIS / ebSOA, attached.
-Jacques
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