Groups - Weekly ebBP Teleconference Call modified

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Weekly ebBP Teleconference Call has been modified by Monica Martin (monica.martin@sun.com).

Date:  Monday, 16 February 2004
Time:  12:00pm - 01:00pm Pacific Time

Event Description:
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Agenda:
1. Approval of minutes.  Minutes to be voted on:
26 January, 2 February, 4-6 February, and 9 February 2004

2. Finalize WI 7: Versioning, Nagahashi
3. Discussion, WI 12: WSDL and other business process support, Dubray
4. Discussion, WI 22: Support for business transaction patterns, Roberts/Moberg.
5. Other business

Minutes:
See those uploaded from F2F 4-6 Feb. Others uploaded through 9 Feb 2004.

ebBP TC Teleconference
9 February 2004

Present:
Abrell
Fischer
Krishnan
Kulvantunyou
Moberg
Nickull
St. Amand
Tell
Wasserman
Webber
Martin

Excused:
Nagahashi

Note: Just short of quorum

Agenda:
    1. Approval of minutes for 26 January and 2 February 2004.
No quorum
No objections in lieu
Defer to next week

    2. Outbrief of F2F events.

Moberg: Decision to produce a 2.0 version and 3.0 placement of longer-term items, and move to align with other ebXML specifications.
Evaluate Dubray's approach of multi-party, as binary and multi-party as specializations of a complex underlying type.
Restate business transaction patterns as specializations of the business transaction. Roberts is working on how to put business signals under that basis.
On multi-party collaboration, we have much work to do.
On reusability, there is new examination whether we need the containers that are defined in the current BPSS (BT, BTA, CollaborationActivity,
and BC).  Role binding is also a component here. These all revolve around multi-party collaboration. Reassess how roles
are seen in the binary collaboration. This allows more than a 2-party interaction and allow for role changes.
Challenges:
a. Containers
b. Control Flow
c. Nesting
d. Reference and reusability

Use XSLT transform that can support migration.  Dubray has resubmitted a proposal for multi-party collaboration.
Identified issues with  and import. This allows some reorganization on references and use of identifiers.

Martin: Please vote for 2.0/3.0 KAVI. Described a bit more on F2F.
Hope to have a draft schema for review by the end of this month (Feb 2004).
Krishan: We also discussed a WSDL type definition.
Moberg: Dubray provided a proposal to generalize BTA to a web services activity in WSDL. This is analogous to BT-BTA relationship. Provided an operation activity (like portType). Allow web services to be an alternative specification for business process definition. CPPA and ebMS are also moving in this direction, to allow use of web services. Dubray has proposed to put a web services fragment into the process definition.
We also need to put in a WSDL type definition (element definition in schema) which is similar to a document. In WSDL, you are providing a complicated container for schema in MEPs (interface definition for XML schema). Suggest another WSDL integration. 
Krishnan: We can support both definitions.
Moberg: We have a comprehensive approach how we can use WSDL for the 2.0. May violate security of the abstraction level defined in BPSS.
Tell: Will provide a reference for business transaction patterns.
eCommerce Patterns report is also available.

eCommerce Patterns: http://www.ebxml.org/specs/index.htm#technical_reports
See eCommerce Patterns 1.0.

Moberg: What is the origin of those patterns?
Tell: UN Recommendation 26 and 31 are the normative references.
Moberg: Use them as a reference.
Tell: Revocation, offer-acceptance and other portions are missing from UMM work, Chapter 9.
Reference: Reference: UMM-N090 Revision 10, Chapter 9 Patterns
http://www.untmg.org/doc_bpwg.html

Moberg: Can reference back to the UN recommendations?
Tell: Yes. Refer to the technical report as well (references to American Bar Association).
Is Dubray's WSDL proposal complementary to BTA? I see Web services as an implementation option, similar to CPPA.
Moberg: Dubray wishes to extend BPSS to allow other things to occur.
Tell: Is this abstraction needed? Does this violate the abstraction layer of the BPSS? Is this implementation?
Moberg: Signals do the same. This makes our work relevant for runtime verification.
Tell: This looks very much like the req-response of a BT. You still have legal entities.
Moberg: This will be part of the debate.

Martin: A summary will be available by the end of this week (13 Feb).

    3. Work Item 7, Versioning, Nagahashi proposal 2 February 2004, Nagahashi.

Reference his proposal.
Vote 16 February 2004.
Send his message.

Proposal: http://www.oasis-open.org/archives/ebxml-bp/200402/msg00029.html

    4. Other business. 

Introduce Neil Wasserman.
From: Adaptive Service Engineering
Supports Navy for strategic planning.
Involved with BCM.

Introduce Duane Nickull.
From: Adobe
Interested in enterprise application space.
Involved in ebXML.

OASIS SYMPOSIUM
Proposal for simple ballot for OASIS symposium
OASIS symposium abstract (sent today)

Brochure
Wasserman: See the brochure as a communications vehicle. Identify the business value.
Members should provide text or graphics they believe would benefit Wasserman in building a brochure.
Need subset of reviewers and comment team.

Volunteers: St. Amand, Webber. Ask Dubray.

MARTIN: PROVIDE REFERENCE TO TECHNICAL REPORT FOR ECOMMERCE PATTERNS. DONE (SEE HEREIN)
MOBERG: PROVIDE MORE WSDL DEFINITION INPUTS. REQUEST 2/12
MARTIN: PROVIDE GRAPHICS TO WASSERMAN FOR BROCHURE. DONE 2/12




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Referenced Items
Date            Name                             Type
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12 Feb 2004     ebbp-mtgminutes-020904.txt       Minutes