RE: [ebxml-bp] TinyERP (an Open Source ERP project) and ebBP?

["Dale Moberg" <dmoberg@us.axway.com>]

-----Original Message-----
From: Sacha Schlegel [mailto:sacha@schlegel.li] 
[ snip introduction]
This comes to the question: What to do with ebXML Business Processes
once they are modelled?

1 use them as documentation and communication medium with trading
partners

<Dale>
Right.
</Dale>
2 use them to generate ebXML Collaboration Protocol Agreements (CPA's).
<Dale>
OK
</Dale>
3 use them to monitor the B2B collaborations.
<Dale>
With the appropriate event information available, this is implementable
</Dale>

4 use them to combine them to monitor the internal private business
processes and the B2B collaborations. 

<Dale>
Here ebBP information that is currently available may run out of
information, unless the internal private processes can be viewed as an
exchange of business documents with internal applications playing Roles.
If the internal logic is more like a UML activity diagram than a UML
sequence diagram, ebBP will probably need some augmentation. XPDL? BPEL?
BPDM? I think we deferred indicating how ebBP would be integrated with
"orchestration" diagrams/notations/specifications until later.
</Dale>
5 others? eg provide Business Intelligence about your trading partner
relationships (eg which trading partners are the ones that send me the
purchase order confirmation within 5 minutes (I like those partners very
much) ... or which are the bad eggs -> which partners send a purchase
order confirmation later than 2 days, how often, how long on average
takes it a trading partner sends a purchase order confirmation... take
the same partners the same time with paying the invoice? ;) ---->
probably based on individual business transactions activities within the
ebBP definitions, eg show me all information about the business
transaction activities ABC of ebBP definition X ?
<Dale>
If the Schlegel BSH is available, and it has set timers for all the time
to performs, there would probably be business event information of the
type you mention available within a BSH realization. The KPIs would need
to be computed of course.
</Dale>


Someone could write 3, 4, and 5 and use TinyERP as a testbed.
<Dale>
Go for it!
</Dale>

Question:
o If you use a system like TinyERP and from your large customer you get
some ebXML Business Process definitions how would you think your systems
could make use of them?

o how could ebBP definitions be integrated into a system like TinyERP? 
o Are they integrated with the workflows of the TinyERP system? 
o Must they be integrated at all or are ebBP definitions used outside of
a TinyEPR system?

<Dale>
Is this a question about how and where to implement the BSH? I think you
are free to create various component level designs with responsibilities
spread over different components. I think that nothing in ebBP or ebXML
generally constrains designs here. That is not to say that deployment of
any design would be equally simple...
</Dale>