[ebxml-cppa] BPSS Bus Proc Specs: [ebxml-cppa-negot] 11/21/2002: DraftCPPA-Negot Mtg Notes 11/20/2002

[Martin W Sachs <mwsachs@us.ibm.com>]

FYI from Brian Hayes

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Martin W. Sachs
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                      "Brian S. Hayes"                                                                                       
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Marty,
   Would you please post this to the ebxml-cppa-negot list?  I took
myself off the list and don't wish to resubscribe if I can avoid it.
Note that if after reading my email you don't think it is appropriate to
send to the list or want to provide me further information, then it
would be fine to not post it.

Dear CPPA Negotion Team,

Yes, I will plan to call into the CPPA meeting.  I just read the notes
and would like to comment on "What should be the appropriate name for a
negotiation instance document?"

Assuming we are talking about the XML file that conforms to the BPSS
schema that describes the process or collaboration associated with
negotiating a CPA:

(a) I recommend calling it something like the CPA Negotiation Business
Collaboration Specification which would be a [type of] BPSS "Business
Process Specification."  For example, the introductory text of the
documentation associated with the XML could say something like "This
BPSS Business Process Specification defines the business collaboration
for negotiating OASIS ebXML Collaboration Protocol Agreements."

(b) I would imagine that Marty or Monica conveyed my personal sentiments
regarding the use of "Business Process Specification" over "XML
instance". Here is a copy of the email.
> From: Brian S. Hayes [mailto:brian.hayes@UCLAlumni.net]
> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 5:57 PM
> To: 'Martin W Sachs'
> Cc: 'mmartin@certivo.net'
> Subject: RE: instance document
>
>
> Marty,
>      I appreciate your suggestion.  The BPSS team did address
> this issue and resolved to use the term Business Process
> Specification rather than "BPSS instance" (meeting notes
> below).  The BPSS team would also recommend that "BPSS
> Business Process Specification" be the term used in documents
> other than the BPSS.
>      Off hand, I don't recall all the issues and counter
> arguments.  But, one of the issues related to instances of
> the BPSS schema is that there is the concept of a run-time
> "instance" of a process specification.  I believe it was Bob
> Haugen who commented that a "BPSS Instance Instance" would
> not be a good term for this run-time instance.
>      I don't want to re-raise and revisit this issue since I
> think there are far too many other more significant BPSS
> issues to deal with. However, I would encourage you to raise
> this issue to the BPSS team providing you are willing to lead
> the discussion.  You have provided a good argument below.  I
> am not sure if there are other UN/CEFACT groups (e.g. ATG and
> ICG) and publications that you could also bring to bear in
> the argument.  You might want to contact Frank Vandamme
> (frank.vandamme@swift.com) who was the eBTWG lead for the
> UML2XML project team.
>
> Best regards,
> Brian

(c) Re: "Kartha disagreed with use of any term that included
'specification'" -- A "BPSS Business Process Specification", a.k.a.,
"BPSS XML Instance", a.k.a. "BPSS Instance" is a *specification* of
expected behavior.  Thus, I believe Kartha's disagreement, as stated in
the notes, is unfounded.

Sincerely,
Brian Hayes


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Monica Martin [mailto:mmartin@certivo.net]
> Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:00 PM
> To: Martin W Sachs; ebxml-cppa-negot@lists.oasis-open.org
> Cc: Monica Martin; Brian.Hayes@UCLAlumni.net
> Subject: [ebxml-cppa-negot] 11/21/2002: Draft CPPA-Negot Mtg
> Notes 11/20/2002
>
>
> Note: See the minutes from yesterday's meeting.
>
> Hima and Brian Hayes, note items for discussion and input.
> Brian, can you attend the CPPA call on 6 December 2002?  See
> notes herein for details.  Dale Moberg can coordinate with
> you on this.
>
> If anyone has updates or corrections, please advise.
>
> Thank you.
> Monica