Jacques and all,
My comments in
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Subject: RE: [ebxml-iic] Use Case #2
Termination Cases (Nesting)
Monica J. Martin [mailto:Monica.Martin@sun.com]
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To: Jacques Durand
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Subject: Re: [ebxml-iic] Use Case #2
Termination Cases (Nesting)
[MIKE2] - Additionally, I would suggest (just to keep the
rules as simple as possible) that <AbortThread> be
permitted for "serial" Threads as well. I do not see any
reason why/how this would have a negative effect on
execution flow. Basically, this would say that an
"aborted" serial Thread simply exits ( for whatever
<TestAssertion> result in that Thread) and workflow
continues wiht the next instruction after that Thread.
This can be thought of as the serial version of the
"dangling concurrent thread", whose result is not
consequential to the ultimate result of the Test Case.
This keeps the rules simple for all Threads.
[Jacques Durand] Everything above and before is OK to me,
with some reserve on the notion of "serial" thread. I
assume "serialization of threads" has the following
semantics (since I assume that splitting/joining are the
only way to combine threads here):
mm1: In workflow (process), you may have several concurrent
when one becomes active, the others are
disabled. It seems this still
follows your logic,
Mike, I believe.
<JD> I believe Mike has more in mind the fact that
threads could just be chained
one after the other
(no concurrency assumed like in the "exclusive-or" fork of BPSS)
so I suspect just a convenience feature from Mike... (right
Mike?), as threads others
than the "root" or main,
must always be forked (split), so "serial" just means some
implicit way to split them (that I previously described).
[MIKE3]- That was my intention with <Abort> of a
"serial" Thread. However, we have now introduced "<Return> as well (
your symmetric counterpart to <Abort>). My question now is: what
would be the difference between <Abort> or <Return> for a
"serial" Thread? (Since their meaning only applies to a <Join>
operation). Both exit the Thread, both kill that Thread. Since a
"serial" Thread is not "joined" is there any semantic difference between
<Abort>ing or <Returning>ing a serial Thread? Perhaps this is a
"moot'" point, and the test writer can use either one, since both permit
continued execution of workflow.
Durand] Mike: my understanding is that your "serial thread"
actually correspond to an implicit pattern in using split/join (please
If taht is
so, then we still need to define what it means to join an "aborted" thread.
The issue does not exist for "Return", which just completes the thread right
(2) if for some reason you want the thread to jump
directly to "successful completion" if TestAssertion =
True/False, then we need a 4th action besides "continue",
"abort", "exit[testcase]": we could call it "endthread".
In that case that is just one more way to terminate
positively a thread (so join semantics is same as for
[MIKE3] - We chose <Return> instead
of <EndThread>.. but the semantics you describe above are the
So you have your "symmetry" of
<Abort> and <Return>.. which have different meanings for a
mm1: This follows what we discussed as endsWhen, re:
'endthread.' However, I'll have to think a
bit more about the Main
thread and containing
threads because of this in the previous v1.1 ebXML
BPSS (I've cc: Dale Moberg so he can comment as well):
[MIK3] - The "main" Thread is now the <TestCase>
in the specifcation. Rules would be: <Abort>ing the
<TestCase> (i.e. the "main thread") sets a final
<TestCase> result of "undetermined". <Return>ning at the
<TestCase> level sets a final state of "pass".
Durand] OK , we still have to make it clear that there is always
such thing as a "main" or top thread, whether explicitly declared or not.
The "TestCase container" is the main thread, if no other explicit
declaration is made. It is just a convenience feature to not have to declare
a main thread.
<JD> the main thread can be implicit, as Mike suggests
(but then the container of
the test case script
still has thread semantics) again a convenience feature.</JD>
"The Success and Failure elements represent an aggregation
of a state
and a transition to this particular
state. This transition like regular
be guarded by a conditionGuard. The conditionGuard can
be used to indicate that a binary collaboration ends in success or
failure based on the fact that the last business
response is a business document
of a particular type, or based on the
content of the
response. It is important to note that the success or
failure of the collaboration does not affect the success or failure
the individual business transaction activities,
which compose the binary
particular, the nature of the commitments is not
changed when the collaboration ends in a specific state. The success
failure of a collaboration is rather an
indication, which can be
reported on, or acted upon
to initiate other collaborations. If several
completion states are specified within a collaboration definition,
business collaboration run-time instance state
is "complete" as soon as
one of the completion state
is reached. It is the responsibility of the
to ensure that all completion states are mutually exclusive and
that once one of them is reached there are no
further Business Activity
open. A timeout exception
will be generated by the BSI in such a case."
<JD> Using variables, our script can verify mutual
exclusive threads execution:
i.e. as soon as a
thread is "elected", it sets a variable, say mutex="true".
Each mutually exclusive thread tests this var in a TestAssertion
somewhere at their beginning,
and exit on failure if
mutex="true" at the time it does the verification.
[MIKE3] - I believe our <Split> and <Join>
operations, together with the <Abort> and <Return> operations
available within <Thread>s will handle the above scenario (multiple,
mutually exclusive succcess/failure states). If there are multiple
concurrent branches, any one of which may signal "success" for the current
Binary Collaboration (i.e. the "parent" Thread)... those branches can be
represented as concurrent <Thread>s, any one of which may
<Return> or <Abort>.. signaling "success" or
"failure". Providing an <OrJoin> for those mutually
exclusive <Thread>s would allow immediate determination of success of
the parent <Thread> (i.e. the Binary Collaboration) and also
immediate termination of all other <Thread>s that are part of
[Jacques Durand] Using Or-join is not
enough to exit on failure if more than one of these threads is executing.
(Or-join does not preclude joining several threads) . When you
split several "exclusive" threads, they may still run concurrently up to a
point (say a GetMessage) where only one of them should proceed further (say
each thread handles a particular message profile, e.g. based on company
type). Now the business process under test is supposed to generate a single
message of this kind. If more than one is generated, several threads will
proceed further and that is what we want to detect. So far I don't see other
ways than setting a variable and getting every thread to check this var at
the right step... but I believe we can do that in our release - assuming
different threads can share a var , e.g. from parent thread (right
[MIKE3] - We are staying away from "variable driven"
execution.. primarly because of the "side effect" issue of permitting
concurrent Threads to modify "global" variable values. Variable scope
is currently limited to the <Thread> in which it is defined, and any
> - when
threads are joined, an aborted thread will
cause failure of an and-join (which aborts the
thread) [MIKE2] - My question is, why abort the
> container Thread
as well? If a Join simply allows/disallows
> (gates) workflow
continuation based upon the result of the
> Join, then it
appears that in either case (whether Join
> condition is
satisfied or not), there is no reason to "abort"
> the parent
Thread. There is no "error" (that I can see) either
> way with the
Join that would require an "abort" of the parent
> Thread. If the
and/or Join result allows continuation of
> workflow , then
the parent Thread would simply finish its
execution, and return control to IT's parent Thread
> (ther parent's
mm1: Only as
long as one contained thread completed successfully correct?
<JD> at the bottom of this, we have to decide
(1) a thread can have three states only:
not started, in execution (including hanging),
[MIKE3] - We've implemented this..
(2) a thread can have one more state: aborted. If that's
the case, we need
to escalate the semantics of a
thread "aborting" ,for the container thread,
suggest that it depends on the way the thread is split and joined.
This "abort" is a little like an exception.
[MIKE3] - One could add this to the spec, but it is
really the equivalent of a "hanging" (or "in execution" ) Thread. And
although it is "like' an exception, it is not semantically treated that way
by the Test Driver.. but simply as part of the logic
Now, my main priority at this point, is ease of
implementation, and avoid
unnecessary complexity -
and delay. So if we feel time is a little short to do (2) properly, I'd
rather skip the "abort" for now - remember that there is room for other
[MIKE3] - We've already implemented <Abort>..
but we can leave it out of the spec. I see it has having great
value, particularly for the scenario Monica described above (mutually
exclusive "Success" states, any one of which signals an end to the other
<Thread>s) That is how our <Abort>, <Return> and
<Join> operations work.
Durand] we need to define precisely the semantics of Abort, and in case
we can't agree quickly on this, we should leave it out of this
We may also choose to just introduce a simpler operator to
complete the thread, instead
(like jumping to its
[MIKE3] - That would be equivalent to what we have now
really (i.e. <Abort> and <Return> essentially do that
[Jacques Durand] so your interpretation of Abort
seems to overlap largely with Return, so we could keep "Return" for this
release (semantics is straightforward).
> If the
and/or Join result precludes workflow continuation...
> fine... The
logic rules have been followed, and again, control
> is returned to
the "parent's parent Thread". No abort is
> necessary. The
only scenario that I can see that would require
> the parent
Thread to "abort" is if a <TestAssertion> operation
> run IN THAT
Parent Thread implicilty or (as I would prefer)
> explicitly sets
an <AbortThread> instruction based upon the
> result of that
[MIKE] - There are a couple of issues here: The only way a
"Main" Thread could abort (based on your suggested logic
for concurrent Threads) is if it is concurrently run (i.e.
the Main Thread is <Split>). But if it is the Main thread,
why would you <Split> it?
mm1: We did have a case on start that there was a split in
<JD> there is always a "top" thread, whether it is
called "main" or not. Every other thread
from there (or from previously split thread).
[MIKE3] - Agreed. As written now, <TestCase>
is the "main" <Thread> .. from which all others are
[MIKE2] - I would like to suggest setting the final state
of the Test Case to "undetermined" if a child (of the
<TestCase>) <TestAssertion> encounters an
instruction during its workflow. Otherwise, all other
<Thread>s simply "abort" and pass control back to their
parent Thread. If execution proceeds to logical conclusion
without an exception conditions or explicit exits, then
the Test Case final result is "pass".
<JD> again - if we introduce abort - I would not give
test case termination semantics
to occurrences of
abort: I woudl only give it "flow" semantics (i.e. affecting
the way the tset case executes, somewhat similarly as an
[MIKE3] - Agreed and implemented
Durand] so lets define precisely the Abort semantics, and see
if we can agree on it.
wouldn't spend much time on it for this release.
So only when the top (main) thread is itself aborting
(either from one of its
TestAssertion, or from
and-joining an aborted child thread), then I would worry about
the meaning for termination, and favor "undetermined"
[MIKE3] - Agreed
So it appears we might need more time to reach a
consensus on "abort" and I would not
postponing this to a future release.
[MIKE3] - We can exercise it in use cases with our
mm1: I've referenced the original section for Dale's benefit
(if he has time). Thanks.
least the start of a long trail of
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