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Subject: FW: [udef.builders] Update on eBusiness Standards Convergence from the auto industr
Hi Here is a message from John Hardin regarding convergence of WS and ebXML for b2b. It occurred to me that the new "marketing" TC might also be a place for general enduser requirements to be sent, so that it is more a two-way street and not of interest primarily to venders. This idea might expand, or maybe just illustrate, Jacques' remarks about Monica's draft adding something about interaction with OAG AIAG and so forth. It would be good to solicit input from endusers on requirements and it might be easier (given how the functionality is spread over several TCs at least) to have a central clearinghouse. Comments? Dale Moberg -----Original Message----- From: john.hardin@gm.com [mailto:john.hardin@gm.com] Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 9:12 AM To: udef.builders@topica.com; udef.builders@topica.com Cc: mgibbs@gibbs.com; dnickull@adobe.com; david@drrw.info; mattm@adobe.com; mikeryan@rcn.com; psnack@aiag.org; dconnelly@openapplications.org; mrowell@openapplications.org; mgibbs@gibbs.com; dnickull@adobe.com; david@drrw.info; mattm@adobe.com; mikeryan@rcn.com; psnack@aiag.org; dconnelly@openapplications.org; mrowell@openapplications.org Subject: [udef.builders] Update on eBusiness Standards Convergence from the auto industr The following message was posted to the udef.builders mailing list: Friends and Associates - As many of you know, there is a direction beginning to form in the Automotive industry towards solving the problem of interoperability between ebXML and Web Services. This effort is being led by the Automotive Industry Action Group, and is focused on creating convergence between the stacks, including transport, reliability, transactionality, security, partner management, and other areas. Priorities are on the basic plumbing (transport and reliability) but will soon extend to the higher areas of the stack. I am working on getting the data semantics and complex events subscription / monitoring conversations in, but these aren't immediate sources of pain for most integrators. The text below is a summary of the meeting that took place on May 12, with AIAG, Automotive companies, and the key vendors representing the major standards bodies. We are expecting this initiative to move out to other industries, ie: Aerospace, Financial, Chemical, Electronics, etc. This is a set of statements that I have created, and they shouldn't be construed as official opinion of General Motors or AIAG. Call with questions or email. Best regards, John ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ John C. Hardin Chief Architect, ebXML Application Architecture and Integration ASD 313.737.1197 cell 313.667.4849 desk john.hardin@gm.com eBusiness Standards Convergence An Update from Automotive Industry Action Group May 12, 2004 Southfield, MI The Automotive Industry Action Group (http://www.aiag.org) has officially launched a Working Group focused on Convergence between ebXML and Web Services. Beginning in Spring 2003, planning between the largest OEM's in the Supply Chain and AIAG developed an approach to solving the lack of interoperability in many areas of the B2B standards stack. Participants from WS-I, OASIS, IBM, Microsoft, Sun Microsystems, AIAG, STAR (http://www.starstandard.org), tier 1 / tier 2 suppliers and the major OEM's met in Southfield, Michigan on May 12, 2004. The format was a forum discussion, with AIAG Working Group leads presenting the vision for converged and interoperable stacks, and the IBM, Sun and Microsoft representatives presenting not only agreement that we should all be working toward this goal, but also some basic ideas for an approach to solving the problem. Setting the Stage for Change Nearly one year ago, B2B leadership in the Automotive industry saw divergent paths in it's members plans for deploying transport, partner management, security and other B2B/A2A protocols. Some major OEMs were choosing ebXML Standards and others were choosing Web Services standards. NIST has recently estimated the cost of a non-interoperable B2B standards landscape at over $1 billion annually for the Automotive Supply Chain. Knowing the impact of inaction, and with determination to collaborate in a better way, eBusiness Directors, Chief Architects and engineers within Ford and GM began working with the AIAG and the STAR, to discuss solutions. Pat Snack, B2B Director for AIAG, Fred Falten, Application Architecture Director at General Motors, and John Stenlake, Chief Architect for Ford Motor company collaborated on messages, objectives and delivery plans in Summer and Fall 2003. The first meeting with vendors took place in January 2004, where presentations were given by Ford and GM leaders, and reciprocating presentations with positions, intentions and perspectives were given by the standards and vendors leadership. Among others, the primary persons representing IBM and the WS-I organization were Tom Glover, Chris Ferris and others. Representing Microsoft and WS-I was Chris Kurt, representing Microsoft and UN/CEFACT was Dave Welsh, representing Sun Microsystems and WS-I was Ed Juslon and Eduardo Gutentag, and representing BEA and OASIS was Ed Cobb. To prepare for these conversations, prior one-on-one calls to each of the companies attending, and conversations with Patrick Gannon and Karl Best of OASIS were held to familiarize them with the messages and direction. All participants expressed support for the objectives and the activities. Automotive Industry Launch After introducing the concepts to the primary vendors in January, the planning for the formal working group, initiation of the WS-I and OASIS formal groups and planning for the rollout to the Auto industry were set. On May 12, in Southfield, AIAG hosted the Supply Chain participants and IBM, Sun Microsystems and Microsoft representatives and announced the rollout of the Convergence Working Group, and invited all to participate. There was good attendance from Supplier participants, and a strong showing of support from the Supply Chain participants, and the OEM's in the room. In attendance were representatives from GM, Ford, Daimer-Chrysler, Toyota, Caterpillar, Arvin Meritor, Delphi, Lear, and many others. Plans to Move Ahead the Convergence Activities There is a need to organize the activities around the industry associations, OASIS and WS-I groups. These are the initial plans: - Establish AIAG Working Group be established to gather requirements for conducting B2B messaging over the internet, from the Auto industry participants. This has been finalized and is now open to all Automotive Industry Action Group participants. - Establish OASIS Technical Committee to receive the requirements from the AIAG (and other industry) working groups for the Convergence specs. This is currently underway, with members from the AIAG working group interfacing with the leads on the OASIS tech committee. - Establish connection from these groups to the WS-I Requirements Gathering Working Group, headed by Chris Ferris at IBM. This is also currently underway, and the members at AIAG, including AIAG itself, are joining WS-I for the express purpose of participating in the Requirements Gathering working group. Processes and deliverables are still in progress, but the initial thought is the best path to a universal, interoperable / converged stack is for OASIS and WS-I to gather requirements from the various participants and incorporate them into their various processes. OASIS will continue to adhere to their mission and modus operandi, which is to incorporate open, royalty-free and IP unencumbered specs, and to develop said standards, making them part of the ratified OASIS library of standards. WS-I will continue to adhere to their mission and modus operandi, which is to "respond to customer needs by providing guidance, recommended practices, and supporting resources for developing interoperable Web services." The artifacts that WS-I produces are recommendations for usage of existing specs, packaged as Profiles, ie: the WS-I Basic Profile and the recently released WS-I Basic Security Profile. Since WS-I hasn't been in the business of drafting specs, the current discussion is that they will incorporate the stable specs and standards into a B2B Basic Profile with recommendations on usage. The stated outcome, is to deliver an open, ratified, set of specs that are converged and interoperable, most likely through OASIS. These will then be included in a B2B Basic Profile, that includes ALL the areas of the B2B stack that are deemed requirements for conducting business over the Internet. The Stack and Prioritization The first areas of the stack that need to be converged, ie: Transport, Security and Reliability... These obviously are the "basic plumbing" that no one will get very far without. The others are not prioritized, but include Business Process, Identity/Partner Management and Contracts, Event Management/Alerting, Data Semantics, and Service Level Agreements. Call to Action The progression for this sea change in the way that the world views and deploys internet based eBusiness can't remain only within the Automotive industry. In order to create a universal, open set of standards that can be used to reliably connect companies who wish to trade electronically, all industries need to participate. Thanks to Pat Snack at AIAG for leading the charge, and to the participants and vendors for joining the fray. 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