Re: [ebxml-msg] Re: Comments on the 1.09 about MessageOrder

[Martin W Sachs <mwsachs@us.ibm.com>]

Shimamura-san,

You said:
  P. 49, Line 2009.
    The MessageOrder element MUST be used with the duplicateElimination
    attribute set to true.

These words require using MessageOrder whenever duplicateElimination used.
I do not believe that messageOrder should be required when using
duplicateElimination.  I suggest that the words be:

   The value of the duplicateElimination attribute MUST be set to "true"
   when the value of the messageOrderSemantics attribute is set to
   "guaranteed".

Regards,
Marty

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SHIMAMURA Masayoshi <shima.masa@jp.fujitsu.com> on 11/30/2001 03:07:51 AM

To:    Doug Bunting <dougb62@yahoo.com>, ebxml-msg@lists.oasis-open.org
cc:
Subject:    [ebxml-msg] Re: Comments on the 1.09 about MessageOrder



Doug,

On Thu, 29 Nov 2001 10:44:32 -0800
Doug Bunting <dougb62@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I think this change would disallow using the Message Order feature with
an
> underlying reliable communications protocol.  Duplicate elimination is
> necessary at the MSH level regardless of the reliability of the
> communications protocol because that protocol can't know what duplicates
> "matter".  However, retries ensuring the message got to the destination
can
> be done below the MSH level.
>
> The problem with this change is really our convention Once-and-Only-Once
> means the MSH level is doing everything.  If we made it more clear this
> could include reliable communication protocols to get to the same
> reliability, I'd be fine with this change.

How about following definition for Once-and-Only-Once?

  P. 49, Line 2009.
    The MessageOrder element MUST be used with the duplicateElimination
    attribute set to true.

       |
       V

    The MessageOrder element MUST be used with delivery behavior of
    Once-and-Only-Once. In the specification, the Once-and-Only-Once
    delivery behavior means that two conditions below are satisfied at
    same time:

    1) No lost message by one of following two mechanisms
        - Reliable messaging described in "7.5 ebXML Reliable Messaging
          Protocol". It means that the messages includes AckRequested
          element or Acknowledgment element.
        - Reliable communication protocol
    2) No duplicate message by the mechanism described in "7.5.6
       Duplicate Message Handling". It means that duplicateElimination
       attribute is set to true.


Regards,

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