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Subject: [ebxml-msg] Re: [regrep] Re: [ebxml-cppa] CPPA version 1.10


Your kind offer to pen this document is without equal, therefore,  I
would formally request that it be done.  One minor alteration I would
like to bring up.

Since the BPSS, Core Components, Registry and CPP/A all make use of a
unqiue identifier, I would like to ask you to consider expanding the
scope of your work to include these others.  The needs are similar -
unquely identify a certain item (whether it be a party, core component
or a specific BPSSS) and allow the following:

1. A URN based UID or OID that can be used to retrieve additional
metadata about the item.

2. Identify it uniquely.

Would you consider such?

Also - it has been suggested that this document belong in the
Archtiecture becuase it spans so many of the other work groups.  This
makes sense to me and we have agreed to add this work within the
UN/CEFACT architecture specification.  If no one has any grievances with
this, I would like to suggest that is its' home.


"William J. Kammerer" wrote:
> I brought the issue up to Dale Moberg for a separate document describing
> the oasis:names:tc:ebxml-cppa:partyid-type URN.  It can be maintained
> independently of the CPP/A specification, and referred to from any of
> the CPP/A, Registry and Messaging Services specs.  If someone would ask
> me nicely to devise the document, I might consider volunteering!
> William J. Kammerer
> Novannet, LLC.
> +1 (614) 487-0320
> +1 (614) 638-4384 (c)
> +1 (928) 396-6310 (FAX)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Christopher Ferris" <chris.ferris@sun.com>
> To: "William J. Kammerer" <wkammerer@novannet.com>
> Cc: "OASIS ebxml-cppa" <ebxml-cppa@lists.oasis-open.org>
> Sent: Monday, 18 March, 2002 11:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [ebxml-cppa] CPPA version 1.10
> Where are the normative URN's for the various types defined?
> The spec just cites as an example the use of the URN you cite.
> It seems clear to me that these URN's need to be formally
> declared and assigned specific an unambiguous definitions.
> Cheers,
> Chris
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Subject: Re: [ebxml-cppa] CPPA version 1.10
> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:04:52 -0500
> From: "William J. Kammerer" <wkammerer@novannet.com>
> Organization: Novannet, LLC
> To: OASIS ebxml-cppa <ebxml-cppa@lists.oasis-open.org>
> References: <OE673yZty1sh4AsK6Ex000107f3@hotmail.com>
>      <3C9240B6.7744EC96@xmlglobal.com>
> The ebxml-cppa TC already has an OASIS URN namespace defined for
> describing ID domains: urn:oasis:names:tc:ebxml-cppa:partyid-type.
> There's no need for the registrar of a particular domain (e.g., D & B
> for DUNS, or the IRS for Federal Tax IDs) to define URNs.  Currently,
> the CPP URN describes the use of a DUNS, e.g.,
> <tp:PartyId tp:type="urn:oasis:names:tc:ebxml-cppa:partyid-type:duns">
>         123456789</tp:PartyId>
> I've asked the CPP/A group to define a few additional domains.  HIPAA
> EDI will require a number of domains available in the X12 Interchange ID
> Qualifier, in addition to the already existing DUNS.  I've listed the
> X12 qualifier code, the description, and examples, if available:
>    01 Duns (Dun & Bradstreet), e.g., DUNS 072930527 is Novannet, LLC
>    14 Duns Plus Suffix DUNS+4, e.g.,1465226281601  Kroger Distribution
> Center at 4450 Poth Road Columbus, OH 43213
>    20 Health Industry Number (HIN), http://www.hibcc.org/hin.htm
> (602-553-8552), .e.g., G8TT9DW00 is Novation
>    27 Carrier Identification Number as assigned by Health Care Financing
> Administration (HCFA), e.g., 30002 is Aetna Life and Casualty Co.
>    28 Fiscal Intermediary Identification Number as assigned by Health
>       Care Financing Administration (HCFA)
>    29 Medicare Provider and Supplier Identification Number as assigned
>       by Health Care Financing Administration (HCFA)
>    30 U.S. Federal Tax Identification Number, e.g, UCLA Orthopaedic
> Surgery Medical Group is 954505291
>    33 National Association of Insurance Commissioners Company Code
> (NAIC), e.g, Prudential is NAIC # 68241, and Highmark is 54771.
> It would make sense if the other ebXML groups (Messaging Services and
> Registry) used this same URN: The OASIS/ebXML Registry Information Model
> v2.0 uses a text string (e.g., "DUNS", "Social Security #") in section
> 7.9 Class ExternalIdentifier, and the Message Service Specification
> Version rev C uses an "imaginary" URN in PartyId type.
> William J. Kammerer
> Novannet, LLC.
> +1 (614) 487-0320
> +1 (614) 638-4384 (c)
> +1 (928) 396-6310 (FAX)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Christopher Ferris" <chris.ferris@sun.com>
> To: "Duane Nickull" <duane@xmlglobal.com>
> Cc: "Martin W Sachs" <mwsachs@us.ibm.com>; "David Fischer"
> <david@drummondgroup.com>; "CPPA" <ebxml-cppa@lists.oasis-open.org>
> Sent: Friday, 15 March, 2002 06:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [ebxml-cppa] CPPA version 1.10
> again, it wasn't my intent that the ssn or ein be used, but
> it was an example of an authority that had an identification
> scheme with a managed namespace. It was just an example.
> The point is that D&B has such a namespace and if they
> would simply register a URN scheme with IANA then the
> issue would be moot. In the absense of a URI/URN scheme
> we and many before us have resorted to code sets (like
> 'DUNS') that in reality are just another value in a namespace
> which is not identified.
> Maybe OASIS should simply use its namespace (the regrep team
> maybe) to establish a branch that could be used to assign
> identifiers for codes like 'DUNS'...
> e.g. urn:oasis-open.org:tc:regrep:foriegn-namespaces:duns
> which we could use as values for the 'type' attribute
> and then make the 'type' attribute of type xsi:anyURI and
> be done with it.
> Cheers,
> Chris
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