RE: [ebxml-msg] FW: [ebxml-cppa] IBM patent disclosure

[David Fischer <david@drummondgroup.com>]

No Marty,

We made great efforts not to require CPPA, and then we reversed ourselves and
now require it, mostly due to a vote at the last F2F.

There is nothing in the spec which says YOU MUST USE CPPA, but there are LOTS of
places where the spec requires that a particular value be found in the
appropriate CPA and any time there is a discrepancy between the headers and the
CPA, the CPA wins.

Yes, we DO require CPPA.

Regards,

David.

-----Original Message-----
From: Martin W Sachs [mailto:mwsachs@us.ibm.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 9:33 AM
To: David Fischer
Cc: ebXML Msg
Subject: Re: [ebxml-msg] FW: [ebxml-cppa] IBM patent disclosure



We don't require a CPA in messaging.  We expended a great deal of time and
effort to make sure that the MSG spec is correct while not requiring a CPA.
Whether you want to advise users to configure their systems manually
instead of using a CPA is an entirely different question.

It won't serve anyone well to pull V2 back from the OASIS approval process
at this point if that's what you have in mind.

Regards,
Marty

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Martin W. Sachs
IBM T. J. Watson Research Center
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Notes address:  Martin W Sachs/Watson/IBM
Internet address:  mwsachs @ us.ibm.com
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                      David Fischer
                      <david@drummondgr        To:       ebXML Msg
<ebxml-msg@lists.oasis-open.org>
                      oup.com>                 cc:
                                               Subject:  [ebxml-msg] FW:
[ebxml-cppa] IBM patent disclosure
                      04/24/2002 09:49
                      AM





We need to seriously consider whether we require CPPA in Messaging.  If IBM
requires a license to use CPPA, that could easily transfer to Messaging
based
upon this requirement.

Regards,

David Fischer
Drummond Group.

-----Original Message-----
From: David Fischer [mailto:david@drummondgroup.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 8:45 AM
To: ebxml-cppa@lists.oasis-open.org
Cc: Rik Drummond
Subject: RE: [ebxml-cppa] IBM patent disclosure


I logged on this morning to vote yes on the specification.  Now I am going
to
abstain.

I gather that the very existence of this technology is what IBM claims and
there
is nothing we can change in the specification to obviate IBMs claim -- they
claim the whole document even though they had a minor role in developing
it.

IBM is going to require anyone who uses CPPA to obtain a license?  This
makes
IBM the owner of CPPA!  Marty has assured us that the cost will be zero,
yet IBM
is not willing to make this assurance in writing.  Rest assured then, the
cost
will not always be zero.


Regards,

David Fischer
Drummond Group.

-----Original Message-----
From: Martin W Sachs [mailto:mwsachs@us.ibm.com]
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 6:09 PM
To: ebxml-cppa@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: [ebxml-cppa] IBM patent disclosure



Regarding the question in the minutes of whether someone must apply for a
license for the IBM patents, I have checked on the answer.  The answer is
yes.  If a company believes that their CPPA implementation may be covered
by the IBM patents, the procedure is to apply to IBM for a license.  There
will be no fee for the license.

Regards,
Marty

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Martin W. Sachs
IBM T. J. Watson Research Center
P. O. B. 704
Yorktown Hts, NY 10598
914-784-7287;  IBM tie line 863-7287
Notes address:  Martin W Sachs/Watson/IBM
Internet address:  mwsachs @ us.ibm.com
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----- Forwarded by Martin W Sachs/Watson/IBM on 04/19/2002 07:03 PM -----


                      Peter Ogden
                      <pogden@cycloneco        To:       "ebXML-CPPA
(E-mail)"
<ebxml-cppa@lists.oasis-open.org>
                      mmerce.com>              cc:
                                               Subject:  [ebxml-cppa] CPPA
conference call minutes - 2002/04/19
                      04/19/2002 06:30
                      PM







Here are my notes  from today's conference call. Please advise if any
corrections are  needed.

Peter


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