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Subject: Re: [ebxml-msg] FW: [ebxml-cppa] IBM patent disclosure


Martin W Sachs wrote:

 > We don't require a CPA in messaging.  We expended a great deal of time and
 > effort to make sure that the MSG spec is correct while not requiring a CPA


By looking at some CPPA related passages in the v2 spec it is unclear whether MSH is not dependend 
on CPP and that there are no spillover effects. maybe there are more passages that need to be 
cleaned up.

V2c section 1.2.2 line 353

"An ebMS-compliant MSH shall respect the in-force agreements between itself and any other ebMS
  compliant MSH with which it communicates. In broad terms, these agreements are expressed as
Collaboration Protocol Agreements (CPA). This specification identifies the information that must be
agreed. It does not specify the method or form used to create and maintain these agreements. It is
assumed, in practice, the actual content of the contracts may be contained in 
initialization/configuration files, databases, or XML documents complying with the ebXML 
Collaboration Protocol Profile and Agreement Specification [ebCPP]. "

.
> Whether you want to advise users to configure their systems manually
> instead of using a CPA is an entirely different question.


Im sure you are aware of more ways than CPPA to configure a system and Im sure that more 
technologies will soon follow.


> 
> It won't serve anyone well to pull V2 back from the OASIS approval process
> at this point if that's what you have in mind.


I agee we with you that it may not serve IBM well if V2 is pulled back for cleaning, but in relation 
to global ecommerce for SME's it may be of great and future benefit. The risk of doing business has 
increased the last week. Not all small and medium sized vendors producing software for SME's have an 
exact knowledge of US patent law , have team of lawyers and years of court experiance.

Im not advocating stopping V2 but a short delay to change any sections that may cause future problems.


Regards
Anders


> Regards,
> Marty
> 
> *************************************************************************************
> 
> Martin W. Sachs
> IBM T. J. Watson Research Center
> P. O. B. 704
> Yorktown Hts, NY 10598
> 914-784-7287;  IBM tie line 863-7287
> Notes address:  Martin W Sachs/Watson/IBM
> Internet address:  mwsachs @ us.ibm.com
> *************************************************************************************
> 
> 
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>                       David Fischer                                                                                                        
>                       <david@drummondgr        To:       ebXML Msg <ebxml-msg@lists.oasis-open.org>                                        
>                       oup.com>                 cc:                                                                                         
>                                                Subject:  [ebxml-msg] FW: [ebxml-cppa] IBM patent disclosure                                
>                       04/24/2002 09:49                                                                                                     
>                       AM                                                                                                                   
>                                                                                                                                            
>                                                                                                                                            
> 
> 
> 
> We need to seriously consider whether we require CPPA in Messaging.  If IBM
> requires a license to use CPPA, that could easily transfer to Messaging
> based
> upon this requirement.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> David Fischer
> Drummond Group.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Fischer [mailto:david@drummondgroup.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 8:45 AM
> To: ebxml-cppa@lists.oasis-open.org
> Cc: Rik Drummond
> Subject: RE: [ebxml-cppa] IBM patent disclosure
> 
> 
> I logged on this morning to vote yes on the specification.  Now I am going
> to
> abstain.
> 
> I gather that the very existence of this technology is what IBM claims and
> there
> is nothing we can change in the specification to obviate IBMs claim -- they
> claim the whole document even though they had a minor role in developing
> it.
> 
> IBM is going to require anyone who uses CPPA to obtain a license?  This
> makes
> IBM the owner of CPPA!  Marty has assured us that the cost will be zero,
> yet IBM
> is not willing to make this assurance in writing.  Rest assured then, the
> cost
> will not always be zero.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> David Fischer
> Drummond Group.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin W Sachs [mailto:mwsachs@us.ibm.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 6:09 PM
> To: ebxml-cppa@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: [ebxml-cppa] IBM patent disclosure
> 
> 
> 
> Regarding the question in the minutes of whether someone must apply for a
> license for the IBM patents, I have checked on the answer.  The answer is
> yes.  If a company believes that their CPPA implementation may be covered
> by the IBM patents, the procedure is to apply to IBM for a license.  There
> will be no fee for the license.
> 
> Regards,
> Marty
> 
> ********************************************************************************
> 
> *****
> 
> Martin W. Sachs
> IBM T. J. Watson Research Center
> P. O. B. 704
> Yorktown Hts, NY 10598
> 914-784-7287;  IBM tie line 863-7287
> Notes address:  Martin W Sachs/Watson/IBM
> Internet address:  mwsachs @ us.ibm.com
> ********************************************************************************
> 
> *****
> ----- Forwarded by Martin W Sachs/Watson/IBM on 04/19/2002 07:03 PM -----
> 
> 



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