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Subject: RE: [ebxml-msg] AS4 receipts cont'd

Pim: <JD>



From: ebxml-msg@lists.oasis-open.org [mailto:ebxml-msg@lists.oasis-open.org] On Behalf Of Pim van der Eijk
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 4:30 AM
To: ebxml-msg@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: [ebxml-msg] AS4 receipts cont'd



As discussed last week,  here is some input to the AS4 receipt generation discussion.


The main difference of this proposal with the latest WD is that "reception awareness" receipts are handled more granularly and are more consistent with the ebBP structure (unlike the previous WD proposal). The proposal is not complex,  but it is undeniable that a clean sheet approach (with no re-use of ebBP structures but some ad hoc XML) could have resulted in something even simpler.


The attached revized XSLT stylesheet implements all this. Also see the stylesheet documentation and a set of example user messages (ending in ".xml") with receipts (ending in ".out.xml").  The XSLT implements receipt generation and could be used in an AS4 MSH, but its purpose in the AS4 appendix is documentation only.   Receipts are supported for the following types of messages:


-   Signed messages (using WS-Security) and un-signed messages.

-   Plain SOAP AS4 messages and SOAP-with-attachments AS4 messages.

-   Peer-to-peer AS4 messages and AS4 multi-hop messages.

-   Messages with payloads, an implicit payload (no href value), or even no payloads.

-   Messages with payload in the SOAP body or attached as MIME parts.


If the TC agrees with this proposal,  I can propose some updates for the AS4 specification.   Those updates would basically correspond to the XSLT documentation.


<JD> can you produce the next draft with these changes? (I will after that update based on your previous general comments on wd20 – unless you do it too)


Two remaining questions:


Question 1:  In the MessagePartIdentifier, I am assuming that here the actual identifiers are used,  not prefixed by "cid:" or "mid:".  Is that correct?


<JD> I would assume that the whole href string is the ID, including the “cid:” prefix. That would more clearly disambiguate from cases where the parts are in the SOAP body (href="">


Question 2:  One defined requirement of "Reception awareness" is:

  • Ability to report an error to the message Producer in case no eb:Receipt has been received for a sent message


Code = EBMS:0301, Short Description = MissingReceipt, Severity = Failure, Category = Communication.

I think it is not just an error if no receipt is received, but also if the contents of the receipt does not match what the sender expects (for instance a part is missing, or an unknown part seems to have been added, or a ds:Reference has a bad DigestValue) ?  How about the following:

Code = EBMS:0302, Short Description = InvalidReceipt, Severity = Failure, Category = Communication.

<JD> fine with me. Indeed there are cases where the Receipt clearly addresses the message (RefToMessageId), but is not well formed, or does not match the user message.


Unfortunately I cannot attend tomorrow's call due to another committment.




From: ebxml-msg@lists.oasis-open.org [mailto:ebxml-msg@lists.oasis-open.org] On Behalf Of Pim van der Eijk
Sent: 06 December 2011 10:09
To: 'Jacques Durand'; ebxml-msg@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [ebxml-msg] Groups - AS4-profile-v1.0-wd20.odt uploaded

Unfortunately not all changes to previous versions were tracked.

Comments inline.




From: ebxml-msg@lists.oasis-open.org [mailto:ebxml-msg@lists.oasis-open.org] On Behalf Of Jacques Durand
Sent: 05 December 2011 23:55
To: Pim van der Eijk; ebxml-msg@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [ebxml-msg] Groups - AS4-profile-v1.0-wd20.odt uploaded

I have uploaded a candidate AS4 spec (AS4-profile-v1.0-wd20.odt) from wd19, that implements most of Pim’s recommendations, remaining from  Sander’s (in wd19).


1-     Compression property with value "true" instead of empty string for XML schema compliance.

Did the update that requires the “Compressed” property to have a value  (I believe the Example in 3.1 was the main culprit?). Also it seems we never introduced the “Compressed” property used in the example (so I did).



Section 3.1 now requires two properties "Compressed" (fixed value "true") and "CompressionType" (fixed value "application/gzip"), but the example in that section still only has "Compressed". Having a separate property for the type of Compression seems useful if more than one type is allowed (other compression algorithms have emerged after GZIP that have advantages in some cases, though it's fine if AS4 does not want to use them for interoperability), but if we have just one allowed value,  what does it add? Isn't the "Compressed" property redundant if we specify the "CompressionType" ?



2-     MIME type value in property for a compressed attachment required instead of recommended.

Done by Sander.


3-     Add note that a compressed payload must be in a separate MIME part and not in the SOAP Body

Added a simple note in 3.1.


4-   In AS4 5.1.8.(a) and 5.1.8.(b), clarify use of receipts with simple SOAP messages, where the SOAP envelope is not in a part with a content identifier, and has no MIME content ID, so here there can be no part identifier.   

Done by Sander.



5.1.8 (b) references message parts using ds:References, but 5.1.8 (a) now should references the ebMS message ID in a PartInfo ? The MessageId is already referenced in the eb3:RefToMessageId in the MessageInfo of the SignalMessage in both cases, having it as value for MessagePartIdentifier in one case is redundant, is inconsistent with the other non-repudiation use and does not match the semantics of the ebbp:NonRepudiationInformation structure.  


BTW what would "should" mean,  are other values allowed, if yes, which ones?


The earlier proposal was to use the MIME part identifiers for reception awareness.   This works for all SOAP with attachment messages.  The issue was about plain SOAP messages with any payload in the SOAP body.  Another solution is to require SOAP with attachments for AS4 messages (or at least for the ones that require receipts), after all that worked in ebMS 2.0. 


Unfortunately the value of a MessagePartIdentifier is a non-empty string, so it cannot be left unspecified.


5-  In AS4 5.1.8.(a) and 5.1.8.(b), note that it is impossible to generate a valid ebBP reception awareness


We have to decide what note to be added in 5.1.8 for this.


6-  In AS4 5.1.8.(a) and 5.1.8.(b), decide on ebbp:MessagePartIdentifier format for a payload part in SOAP body that is implicitly identified by absence of an "href" attribute as described in ebMS3Core.


Should we just require something like a string “soap:body”, for readability? (not done yet)



Unfortunately the value of a MessagePartIdentifier is a non-empty string, so it cannot be left unspecified. We could profile AS4 to make the href attribute mandatory, always or for messages that request receipts.


7-  Clarify that an identifier of a payload in the SOAP Body is a stored as an attribute value on the SOAP Body element, not on the contained document root (AS4 interop).


Not sure I understand this: the soap Body could have several payload parts actually, and the @id attribute is at the root of each one of these (not on the Body element). See example in Appendix C2 of Core V3.


There is a problem with that example in the core spec:  the business document is submitted by the Sending application, and it may not have an "id" attribute.   We shouldn't let the sending MSH add an id, as the receiving MSH may not know if it was added by the sending application or by the sending MSH, so it can't remove it. The XML schema of that document may not even allow an "id" attribute, so unless it were removed, the receiving application would consider it an invalid XML document.  


When using WS-Security, the identifying attribute is on the SOAP:Body, not on the enclosed XML document.  We don't require WS-Security, but the place to put the attribute should be the same whether we use it or not.



8-  Discuss the format of the identifier (xml:id or wsu:Id).   


It seems to be @id (not @Id) see examples in core V3.


9-  Bad references to SOAP 1.1 instead of 1.2.


Done by Sander.


10-Guidelines on values for mpc (message partition channel) attributes.  Pullrequests do not have ebMS metadata, so a partner that sends documents to multiple partners using Pull mode must assign them to different channels, unless we want to require support for the "selective pulling" feature of Part 2 in ebMS.


Here I think it would be better to add as an optional extra feature  (for a Sender), support for sub-channels. We have defined this feature in Part 2 for intermediaries only. We can refer to it as an (optional) extra feature, as it was initially defined for a multi-hop context but can easily be considered in a single hop case here.. See new proposed section 3.5. 


We need a way to specify, as a new PMode parameter the "receiver sub-MPC".  This is the MPC that the receiver pulls from. It may be different from the MPC the sender submits it to, but not completely different, it is required to be a sub-channel.  The Sending MSH needs to know how to partition the set of messages submitted to an MPC across various sub-MPCs.  What rules control this partitioning?   We might associate a sub-channel with an XPath _expression_ over the UserMessage header.  Here the partitioning is done at submission time and authorization can be done at a fine-grained sub-channel level.


Another option is the selective pulling feature in Part 2.  Basically,  a receiver could pull from a generic MPC and select it using the to:PartyId=<<their ID>>.  Here the selection is done more dynamically, the receiving MSH has more control. But the receiver must be authorized for the MPC, so this is more a feature to give better control to the receiver. 




11-  Support for Two Way MEPs.   This is not needed for EDIINT,  but in essence allowing an MSH to set the value for RefToMessageId adds minimal complexity to an implementation.   It allows AS4 to be used also for SOA-style, request/response interactions.


I think Sander addressed this (just as an option) with a simple note.


If we want this, we need to allow them in 2.1.1 and 2.2.1. I'm in favour of allowing Two Way MEPs.   All it means is that an MSH must be able to set an eb3:RefToMessageId in an outgoing message, which is trivial.  (We require them to set ConversationId already, after all).   I can't think of any interop reasons to leave this out. The main benefit is that AS4 can be used for SOA-style, request/response interactions and not just for batch EDI.  AS4 could replace ebMS 2.0 for all of my customers' applications if it supported this.  


The OASIS Energy Interop TC is currently profiling ebMS 3.0 for smart grid, and this issue came up there are well.


IncludingRefToMessageId in responses supports a style of asynchronous programming where the sender registers a callback based on MessageId. It is possible to do this by correlating message payloads,  but it is much more practical and consistent to be able to use a UserMessage element. When the response comes it, the appropriate handler can be called before any payloads are processed.



IMPORTANT:  regarding support for compression:

-          The question whether light AS4 clients – in particular “minimal” client - should support compression (meaning also attachments, and msg properties) is still controversial in my view: if we want to “certify” very light clients and devices, I’d be in favor of keeping the “minimal client” conformance level low, i.e. not requiring these features. 

There was a questionabout this in the OASIS Energy Interop TC as well.   They asked if GZIP support is widespread or practical in low-end devices that are in their scope.   A strong advantage of GZIP is that it has a very small memory footprint and is fast (compared to other algorithms that have a better compression ratio).


They also asked if we had considered http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/REC-exi-20110310/as an alternative.


-          So my uploaded draft reflects this option (low bar for “minimal client” conformance level). See the conformance Clause: to be discussed.


NOTE: a small issue not fixed yet: the ref to V3 Part 2 is using a different acronym in the ref section ([ebMS3ADV]) than in the body of the spec (ebMSP2)





From: ebxml-msg@lists.oasis-open.org [mailto:ebxml-msg@lists.oasis-open.org] On Behalf Of Pim van der Eijk
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 6:26 AM
To: ebxml-msg@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: [ebxml-msg] Groups - AS4-Profile-csd04-wd-17.odt uploaded


Submitter's message
I've made some updates based on discussion of the issues in the TC. Jacques will produce the next version after the upcoming F2F.


Fixed a bad reference to SOAP 1.1 in section 2.2.1 .

In 3.1 compression, the original MIME type of a compressed payload is required instead of just being recommended; added clarification on use of CharacterSet in compression.

Minor editorial changes and some comments on areas that may need clarification.

-- Mr. Pim van der Eijk

Document Name: AS4-Profile-csd04-wd-17.odt

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Submitter: Mr. Pim van der Eijk
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Date submitted: 2011-11-11 06:25:55
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