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Subject: Personal Data Services (thread was: eGov Work Plan 2008-9)

Title: RE: [egov-ms] Groups - eGov Work Plan 2008-9 (eGMSWorkPlan2008-9.doc) uploaded


I feel a bit of a latecomer to the debate...


Looking at the various documents (some of which I was involved with – notably on the EU eID strategy and roadmap – when I was still working with the Austrian federal Chancellery with Prof Posch and others), there is one area where I think that the OASIS eGov Member Section could have a role to play.


In the European Commission’s eId roadmap there is an item “Personal Data Ownership Model” – which raised the idea of making personal data available as an SOA-style “data service” – instead of personal data being copied (and sadly, lost) between services, make it available through secure brokered services, on demand, and according to properly authenticated requests (hence the link back with eID). The item is continually flagged up, both within the STORK project and in the Commission roadmap, but to date there doesn’t seem to be anything moving forward.


I wrote a paper on the issue at the time, available at: www.pensive.eu/uid/0081 along with a slide deck (http://www.xmlbystealth.net/file/153.pdf) that I used in several presentations on the issue.


Furthermore, as the STORK presentation makes clear, it is not just secure ID for individuals but also for businesses, that is at stake. As a company, we are interested in sharing key company information assets when needed (for example in tending procedures) but we are uncomfortable with the ease with which electronic copies of key company data are circulated and stored. Such an “on demand” model would also satisfy these concerns (as well as being more secure and efficient).


One idea floated has been to establish an OASIS TC to propose a standard for this (either scoped more broadly to bring on board more people concerned with data services more generally; or specifically on personal data services), that could subsequently serve as input to (and satisfy a requirement for) the eID roadmap and the STORK project in particular. A number of larger OASIS members expressed interest in taking this further (we even drafted a “strawman” charter, www.xmlbystealth.net/file/232.doc) but we lacked a “champion” – maybe the eGov MS could help?


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From: Giles Hogben [mailto:Giles.Hogben@enisa.europa.eu]
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 10:10 AM
To: Colin Wallis; Herbert Leitold; John Borras; paul.spencer@boynings.co.uk; egov-ms@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [egov-ms] Groups - eGov Work Plan 2008-9 (eGMSWorkPlan2008-9.doc) uploaded


In case you want some more information about the STORK project, you can find the new project home page here:

Also here is a presentation from 2007. I guess the planning may have changed a little since then but the broad goals will still be the same.




-----Original Message-----
From: Colin.Wallis@ssc.govt.nz [mailto:Colin.Wallis@ssc.govt.nz]
Sent: Thu 03/07/2008 10:21
To: Herbert.Leitold@a-sit.at; johnaborras@yahoo.co.uk; paul.spencer@boynings.co.uk; egov-ms@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [egov-ms] Groups - eGov Work Plan 2008-9 (eGMSWorkPlan2008-9.doc) uploaded

Thanks Herbert

I was aware of STORK but had, in my own mind least, separated it from
the (SAML focused) Common eID specs because I thought STORK was in
effect a test of PKI/digital signatures across member states (very
useful though that is for some states and the way you guys deal to the
business/trust issues will be valuable everywhere).

I may have a completely uninformed perception of STORK so please set me
right if I am off the mark.


From: Herbert Leitold [mailto:Herbert.Leitold@a-sit.at]
Sent: Tuesday, 1 July 2008 9:28 p.m.
To: WALLIS, Colin; johnaborras@yahoo.co.uk; paul.spencer@boynings.co.uk;
Subject: AW: [egov-ms] Groups - eGov Work Plan 2008-9
(eGMSWorkPlan2008-9.doc) uploaded


As you mentioned Common eID specs:  Last month an European Large Scale
Pilot "STORK" has been launched ( http://www.eid-stork.eu/ ). In this 3
year experience 13 EU Member States plus Island will test
interoperability of their eID / Identity management. This shall also
result in Common Specifications (first versions by 2009) that will be
implemented and tested in several cross-border applications.

Given that 14 States are involved this might have some impact - at least
in the EU. 



Herbert Leitold

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Von: Colin.Wallis@ssc.govt.nz [mailto:Colin.Wallis@ssc.govt.nz]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 01. Juli 2008 00:29
An: johnaborras@yahoo.co.uk; paul.spencer@boynings.co.uk;
Betreff: RE: [egov-ms] Groups - eGov Work Plan 2008-9
(eGMSWorkPlan2008-9.doc) uploaded


Thanks for thinking of us downunder! 

(Useful links too John, thanks!  I cant seem to get any response from
John Seimen on the Common Specs for eID interoperability so if you have
any influence there I'd most appreciate it)

I'm not directly involved with the NZ e-GIF these days although the
group of Authentication standards I work on are e-GIF standards.

It has been ticking along but the challenges remain of keeping it
updated and relevant, developing a registry/repository of any local
profiling of schema fragments, namespaces etc, and governance.

As far as Australia is concerned see here:


They have a e-gov link.

Also look at www.govdex.gov.au

The Australian States are worth a look too - Victoria, Queensland etc.



PS: I leave for Europe on Friday: next week in Stockholm for the Liberty
Alliance, but I do have some time on Friday 11th July in the afternoon
in/around London if you wnated to catch up? Global roaming mobile is +64
27 2225169.


Colin Wallis
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From: John Borras [mailto:johnaborras@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: Saturday, 28 June 2008 4:10 a.m.
To: Paul Spencer; egov-ms@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [egov-ms] Groups - eGov Work Plan 2008-9
(eGMSWorkPlan2008-9.doc) uploaded


In answer to your question I can give you the UK situation but you know
that already.  However what may be of more importance is what the EU's
CAMMS project comes up with.  Have a look at the project details at
http://ec.europa.eu/idabc/en/document/7407 .  This may change some
current practices so one to watch for the future.

You might also watch for the publication of the draft of the EU's EIF v2
next week on the IDABC site.  That may impact/change some current eGIFs


M. +44 (0)7976 157745
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----- Original Message ----
From: Paul Spencer <paul.spencer@boynings.co.uk>
To: egov-ms@lists.oasis-open.org
Sent: Friday, 27 June, 2008 4:54:12 PM
Subject: RE: [egov-ms] Groups - eGov Work Plan 2008-9
(eGMSWorkPlan2008-9.doc) uploaded

Hi all,

I am being commissioned to do some work that fits in exactly with Goal 1
in the work plan. This is to review interoperability frameworks
world-wide, and produce a framework for a specific developing nation. I
should probably wait for contracts to be in place before naming the
country. I would also like to publish the result of the review through
this member section, but that will again depend on the terms of the

I am very familiar with the UK e-GIF and the current work on the
Cross-Government Enterprise Architecture. I have also looked at the NZ
version. I would be very interested to be pointed at other frameworks
that people think worth reading. We all know that Governments only
publish the good news, so I would also value "warts and all" opinions of
them since the views of people who have used them are the most valuable.
In the light of experience, what would you do differently if you were
doing it again? I can put opinions in anonymously if preferred and
people are very welcome to see what I write before I publish. Even
opinions that you do not want me to publish at all are helpful in
avoiding re-inventing the square wheel[1].

Once I am a bit further down the road, I will ask some questions that
might stimulate some discussion and make this list more active. In fact
here is one to start: to what extent are the standards that are mandated
by Governments driven by best practice, and to what extent by vested

All input welcome, either via the list or direct email.

[1] Those in the UK will know that Austin got there first with the
Allegro, which had a "quartic" (square to you and me) steering wheel.


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