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Subject: Re: [idtrust-ms] STORK 2 - EU cross-border identity pilot projects


We have a test project called Siena in which John Borras and Gershon 
Janssen are involved, as I mentioned at the very beginning of this 
thread. Their contribution is "mediated" by AFNET (our French 
correspondent) so that their travel expenses can be paid. But they do 
not get compensated beyond that - that's what Gershon told me. This 
project might be different, I have no idea.
I'm not sure how much input STORK wants; but the real point is that they 
may consider standardizing the security aspects or messaging in OASIS, 
following in the footsteps of PEPPOL. That is our end game.
I hope this clarifies.

On 5/13/2011 10:07 PM, James Bryce Clark wrote:
> +1 to Pim, and I expect Laurent may wish to have a look at the referral terms to our French correspondent.  J
>
> Sent from my mobile
>
> On May 13, 2011, at 12:41 PM, "Pim van der Eijk"<pim.vandereijk@oasis-open.org>  wrote:
>
>>
>> When the EU Commission project officer for STORK learned
>> about BDX,  he told me it could be a model for STORK, so it
>> is good that this is opportunity is now arising.  The STORK
>> SAML profile is based on earlier input from ENISA and
>> related work on e-authentication in Europe.  This work was
>> presented to the Security Services TC in 2007 and at an
>> OASIS Fall conference in London.
>>
>> The request for OASIS to participate in projects to provide
>> expertise has come up many times in the past but there was
>> no formal framework to support this model. Recently, OASIS
>> has set up a relation with a not-for-profit organization in
>> France which is able to act as legal entity in EU contracts
>> and would be able to subcontract any experts work.  Since
>> this relation is now established (and to be announced soon),
>> we should use this structure to support this.
>>
>> Pim
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Anil Saldhana [mailto:Anil.Saldhana@redhat.com]
>> Sent: 13 May 2011 21:18
>> To: peter@peterfbrown.com
>> Cc: laurent.liscia@oasis-open.org; hal.lockhart@oracle.com;
>> Jamie.clark@oasis-open.org; idtrust-ms@lists.oasis-open.org;
>> egov-ms@lists.oasis-open.org
>> Subject: Re: [idtrust-ms] STORK 2 - EU cross-border identity
>> pilot projects
>>
>> Hal,
>> do you know if there is any precedence to hiring standards
>> experts on contractual basis via Oasis?
>>
>> I would presume we just have to request someone from the
>> SAML TC who is in Europe to be the liaison.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Anil
>>
>> On 05/13/2011 09:48 AM, Peter F Brown wrote:
>>> OK,
>>>
>>> So the main question is: Who feels that they could provide
>>> authoritative input and advice to the STORK 2 project,
>> particularly with regard to SAML?
>>> If we can get a name, I’d be happy to provide the liaison
>> with the
>>> proposed STORK 2 consortium to get them on board. But we
>> have to be
>>> quick, as the deadline is looming….
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And, yes, there is contractual money involved
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Laurent M. Liscia
>> [mailto:laurent.liscia@oasis-open.org]
>>> Sent: Friday, 13 May, 2011 07:25
>>> To: peter@peterfbrown.com
>>> Cc: 'Anil Saldhana'; hal.lockhart@oracle.com;
>>> Jamie.clark@oasis-open.org
>>> Subject: Re: FW: STORK 2
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you Peter (what are you doing up so early?), For
>> once I can
>>> speak for OASIS since this is a bit of an admin issue.
>>> OASIS does not possess IPR per se - our members do; that's
>> why, even
>>> when we are members of another org, we contribute no IPR.
>> But we do
>>> have people representing us in "consortia" or large-scale
>> projects,
>>> such as STORK. I think SIENA is exactly like STORK and we
>> have Gershon
>>> Janssen and John Borras speaking on behalf of OASIS: they
>> provide advice and act as liaisons.
>>> That is completely feasible. If Anil or Hal care to do the
>> same ...
>>> Finally it seems to me that the end-game is to get these
>> guys to
>>> standardize their output in OASIS as per the PEPPOL
>> example.
>>>
>>> On 5/12/2011 6:00 PM, Peter F Brown wrote:
>>>
>>> Hmmm,
>>>
>>> Is there anything we can do with this?
>>>
>>> Would SAML be interested and/or able to take this up? And
>> how would we
>>> handle the legal/contractual issues of ‘OASIS’ as an
>> entity joining
>>> such a consortium…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Alicia Garcia Medina
>> [mailto:alicia.garcia@atosresearch.eu]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 11 May, 2011 14:54
>>> To: Alicia Garcia Medina; peter@peterfbrown.com
>>> Cc: Peter Kustor ; Alberto Crespo Garcia; Ana Maria
>> Piñuela Marcos;
>>> miguel.alvarez@mpr.es; Riedl Reinhard;
>>> Neil.Clowes@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk;
>>> Reinhard Posch
>>> Subject: RE: STORK 2
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Peter,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have communicated to the core team your interest and
>> some question
>>> arises since in STORK we do not create standards but
>> support
>>> standardisation and we would need technical advice on
>> WP4´s SAML profile.
>>>
>>>
>>> Could you please indicate to me who would participate as
>> legal entity?
>>> Is OASIS a legal entity or will it be a company?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I copy in this message WP4 leader (Miguel) and WP6
>> co-leaders
>>> (Reinhard and
>>> Neil) so you all can check if this fits in STORK 2.0.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Alicia.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Peter F Brown [mailto:peter@peterfbrown.com]
>>> Sent: martes, 10 de mayo de 2011 19:57
>>> To: 'Reinhard Posch'
>>> Cc: 'Peter Kustor '; Alicia Garcia Medina
>>> Subject: RE: STORK 2
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Reinhard, thanks for the prompt reply.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Indeed, the project is about pilots and with an extended
>> scope as you
>>> say, with health sector and banking.
>>>
>>> Our concern, as OASIS, would be to see what role we can
>> play in
>>> facilitating the development of new – or greater take-up
>> of existing –
>>> standards in this project. As you know, we have a new TC
>> set up to
>>> pursue work for PEPPOL (the OASIS BDX TC) that will
>> hopefully provide
>>> a durable standard beyond the lifetime of that large-scale
>> pilot – so
>>> the main question is: has STORK identified a “gap in the
>> market” of IDM standards that needs to be filled?
>>> If the answer is yes, then our participation could be
>> helpful; if no,
>>> then it would be a different issue.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Reinhard Posch [mailto:reinhard.posch@cio.gv.at]
>>> Sent: Monday, 09 May, 2011 21:34
>>> To: peter@peterfbrown.com
>>> Cc: Peter Kustor
>>> Subject: Re: STORK 2
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> .. indeed June 1st is very near. On the question of
>> technicality of
>>> joining this late
>>>
>>> Alicia Garcia Medina<alicia.garcia@atosresearch.eu>   from
>> ATOS could
>>> give
>>>
>>> you more details.
>>>
>>> Then it would come to what is OASIS bringing to the
>> pilots. It is
>>> pilots - having
>>>
>>> said this I mean that it is about interoperability of
>> existing eID of
>>> Member States
>>>
>>> also with flavors like using them in the private sector
>> like banks and
>>> heath care.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Was nice to hear from you
>>>
>>> Reinhard
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 10.05.2011 um 01:40 schrieb Peter F Brown:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I was talking last week in Brussels with Jean-Francois
>> Junger at the
>>> European Commission and he mentioned the current CfP for
>> the next
>>> phase of STORK.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> He suggested that OASIS, as a standards organisation
>> active in IDM,
>>> ought to consider joining the proposed new consortium, and
>> help with
>>> the delivery of standards to be used in the STORK.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Any thoughts on the matter? Is it realistic, given that
>> the deadline
>>> is 1st June?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards from (not so sunny) Los Angeles
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Peter F Brown
>>>
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