True Carl,
The Net Centric Enterprise Services is for
Department of Defense Only. Since most of our web interactions will
shortly be locked down to Common Access Card, interoperability with the Fed
will be less likely. I have run into some open source efforts, similar to
SourceForge, that are only for DoD as well.
Other NCES efforts include Federated
Search, Content Staging, and Communities of Interest.
Very Respectfully,
John R. Weiland
Information Technology Specialist
GS 2210 (APPSW) Code 07 Navy Medicine OnLine
Chair, DoN CIO Business Standards Council
Naval Medical Information Mngmt Cntr
Bldg 27
8901
Wisconsin Ave
Bethesda, Md.
20889-5605
301-319-1159
JRWeiland@us.med.navy.mil
http://navymedicine.med.navy.mil
"GIVE ME A PLACE
TO STAND AND I WILL MOVE THE EARTH"
A remark of Archimedes quoted by Pappus of Alexandria
From: Carl Reed OGC
Account [mailto:creed@opengeospatial.org]
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 1:53
PM
To: David RR Webber (XML); Anders
Rundgren
Cc: eGov OASIS
Subject: Re: [egov] FWD - GCN:
OMB's Clay Johnson predicts e-government's future - 2008 and beyond
I agree with David. SOA is about business process.
Anyway, it is interesting that DISA has been moving forward with their net-centric
enterprise architecture concept. http://www.disa.mil/main/prodsol/cs_nces.html
In their NCES documents they state: Service-Oriented
Architecture Foundation (SOAF) provides DOD's software
foundation for interoperable computing. Core services included in the SOAF are
security/information assurance, service discovery, enterprise service
management, machine-to-machine messaging, people and device discovery,
mediation, and metadata registry services.
Funny, they are now releasing procurements with NCES language and yet
other parts of the Government are not.
Also, I have been involved with the Geospatial Profile of the FEA and
that Profile for sure is grounded in SOA philosophy.
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Sent: Friday, April 14,
2006 7:10 AM
Subject: RE: [egov] FWD -
GCN: OMB's Clay Johnson predicts e-government's future - 2008 and beyond
All is not gloom and doom however. Yes there have been mis-steps
- but people are learning from those and new RFPs coming out do reflect the
realization that when government pays to develop major new systems they have to
be using broadly re-usable technology that does adher to open standards, open
license / source and be heavily rule driven and scriptable / configurable
via XML mechanisms. Have we really built one of these yet? Not yet
- but I do see legacy systems that have aspects that we can point to.
Also people need to stop trying to solve business problems with
technology tricks without first understanding the real needs and process
models. The OASIS BCM approach can provide people with vision and answers
in a systematic way. The tendency is always the old adage 'just
write code, while I find out what the users want'. 'Just writing code'
runs very deep - we really have not de-programmed the IT work force itself -
from the cradle in the Universities and schools to on-the-job middle-level
project managers - that's what they are taught and see around them - and
they have a huge jump of faith to make - to go to rule driven XML enables
systems. It's like people doubting that one JCB back-hoe in two
hours can do the same job as 50 men with shovels and pick-axes can do in
two days. Those 50 men are always in there - working with their shovels -
while people are still deciding if they want to really use the back-hoe
for those two days. By the time they decide they might have, the
opportunity is gone. Expediency and comfort over planning and
paradigm shift.
And by-the-way - in case anyone has doubts - yes - rule-based XML
driven systems do work - developed from business models and control
mechanisms that put the business goals first - not the reverse -
technology driving the business approach - and we need to focus harder on
making the leap - and demanding these things at the heart of the architecture
of new systems. Meanwhile people are equating SOA to how many WSDLs and
XSDs they have created. Then back in the 'just write code' camp -
this is all being supported by Java, VOs, static DAOs and such - which is the
exact antithesis of an agile dynamic XML-driven environment.
Anders - so when it comes to the security models - yes - there are a
lot of mis-steps too - because people start from the technology level and some
security device based on machine-level thinking and then attempt to work
out to the business. Not surprisingly this results in tools that real
users deeply mis-trust and shun - and most especially because these end users
are pushed to the edge having zero control over the security methods and access
themselves. Again what the BCM teaches from the business side is - you
need to start there - with MoUs, and CPAs defining the roles, responsibilities,
policies, constraints and contextual use models. Once you have that
clear - then its a much easier step to see what technology devices are needed
to enable that. Then you hit the 'just write code' layer - and the
ability to have these overarching views drive the behaviour of the deployed
systems completely evaporates again.
But the contractors team was the best-value-bid on our evaluation
criteria and they have built systems like this before - so what's not to
like? Clue / Hint : the contractors have small interest in breaking
their golden goose cycle - building bespoke systems that require shovels
and picks to run and cannot be readily extended.
SOA is about way more than WSDL and XSD - its about truely shared
business mechanisms that have transparency and agility beyond todays
static and brittle interaction models. The technology tools are there to
support this - open source, collaborative methods, open standards, XML, rule
agents, security methods, open platform development tools - but the transition to
these is slowed by in-grained behaviour models.
The cycle continues and the paradigm shift is yet to happen.
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Subject: Re: [egov] FWD - GCN: OMB's Clay Johnson predicts
e-government's future - 2008 and beyond
From: "Anders Rundgren" <anders.rundgren@telia.com>
Date: Fri, April 14, 2006 8:11 am
To: "eGov OASIS" <egov@lists.oasis-open.org>
According to leading Federal PKI spokesmen, applications
based on SOA (Service Oriented Architectures) are out-of-scope. In my
opinion it will be hard to achieve any major savings and GPEA adherence
unless you have a working, secure SOA or WS scheme in place. As it
current looks, many wheels will be reinvented over and over, and each
time with a new twist, with staggering costs and limited interoperability as a
likely result.
The current Federal security architecture is focused on
person-to-person e-mail using S/MIME, something which is not even remotely
related to SOA.
So what is actually missing? The notion of an
application (server) as an initiator and originator of a message. This is
the core of SOA and WS. Naturally PIV-cards have no direct function in
such a transaction, although there may be a PIV-initiated request in the
beginning of a chain of WS requests.
I noted at a recent NIST event, that the Higher
Education PKI (HEPKI), after years of struggle with their version of the
Federal security architecture, are beginning to question if it ever will
deliver what was envisioned more than a decade ago, when it was
initially defined.
The financial industry OTOH, have successfully deployed
"SOA-like" schemes since ages back, including on a global scale, and
as far as I can see they don't get hung by the idea that
"machines" can do transactions; it is rather this they strive for.
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Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 18:49
Subject: [egov] FWD - GCN: OMB's Clay Johnson predicts
e-government's future - 2008 and beyond
FYI
OMB's Clay Johnson predicts e-government's future
By Jason Miller,
By the time the Bush administration is out of office in 2008, all the 25
original E-Government initiatives should be fully implemented.
That is one White House's goals for the President's Management Agenda
over its last 2 1/2 years, according to Clay Johnson, the Office of
Management and Budget's deputy director for management.
"We have demonstrated we can do these things over the past few years, so
we have to continue to focus on performance," Johnson said earlier this
week at the 8th annual Government Performance Summit in Washington
sponsored by The Performance Institute of Arlington, Va. "We have the
ability to set targets and move to them. We couldn't do that 10 years
ago."
Additionally, Johnson said he expects the public to be using 80 percent
to 90 percent of the 25 Quicksilver projects to their full capabilities
by 2008.
He also said agencies will fully implement all nine of OMB's Lines of
Business Consolidation initiatives-budget formulation, case management,
federal health architecture, financial management, human resources
management, geospatial, grants management, IT infrastructure and IT
security-and demonstrate high level of services for lower costs.
Besides e-government, the administration expects that Congress will pass
some sort of civil service modernization, including pay-for-performance,
for every agency, and that at least 22 Chief Financial Officer Act
agencies will have unqualified financial audits. He also said the
administration expects to continue to show savings through competitive
sourcing competitions, where agencies compete inherently commercial
positions with the private sector.
Johnson added that the White House expects to reduce improper payments
by $20 billion and dispose of at least $6 billion in unused real
property by 2008.
To accomplish many of these tasks, especially e-government and
competitive sourcing, Johnson admitted that they need to do a better job
educating lawmakers.
"It is a mystery to me why we get push-back on the Hill with
e-government," Johnson said. "Their comprehension is limited. They
think
these are OMB pet projects we push on agencies, and the projects have no
value to citizens. They are dumbfounded when I told them what it really
it."
He added that OMB has not done a good enough job communicating why these
initiatives are worthwhile.
Of course, OMB has blamed poor communication for the poor reception
e-government has received on the Hill for almost five years, and things
don't seem to be getting better in the short term. Karen Evans, OMB's
administrator for IT and e-government, said recently that the recent
mandated report on e-government would help improve lawmakers'
understanding about these projects.
OMB will see how the report goes over as Congress weighs in on the
fiscal 2007 budget request this summer.
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