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Subject: RE: [election-services] Draft position paper for EAC/NIST UOCAVA workshop


Hi guys

 

Juts a holding reply for now as I’m out most of today.  Will get back later with a detailed appraisal.

 

Bottom line for me has always been that the TC stays out of all the political, academic and security issues around evoting.  EML is there as a technical tool to support whatever the customer decides he wants to do and we believe we can support pretty much any solution, etc etc…..   So when we stand up representing the TC we avoid these awkward issues whenever possible and put the ball back in the politicians court.

 

So with that in mind I’ll send you my detailed comments asap.

 

John

 

From: David RR Webber (XML) [mailto:david@drrw.info]
Sent: 13 July 2010 21:02
To: Zelechoski,Peter
Cc: eml
Subject: RE: [election-services] Draft position paper for EAC/NIST UOCAVA workshop

 

Peter,

 

Thanks for your comments.  

 

For the record - I've based this all closely on the current FVAP requirements for internet ballot delivery - that my team and others are currently implementing for roughly 20 states who are working that program.   Therefore I'm not just making this up - this models what States and FVAP are currently doing for the 2010 election cycle for UOCAVA voters.

 

I've made specific notes in line below to your items.

 

Thanks, DW

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: [election-services] Draft position paper for EAC/NIST
UOCAVA workshop
From: "Zelechoski, Peter" <pzelechoski@essvote.com>
Date: Tue, July 13, 2010 1:56 pm
To: "David RR Webber (XML)" <david@drrw.info>, "eml "
<election-services@lists.oasis-open.org>

As a member of this TC I believe we need to be cognizant that this is an OASIS TC, not an anti eVoting group (I am sorry if I step on toes saying that but I participate in this TC to improve the ability of electors to have confidence in elections using computers).  If we are presenting this paper as a TC work, we MUST address it from an EML stand point – NOT from a standpoint of what we personally believe about computers in voting.



The point is here that we want to show how EML can support eVoting - but also the challenges.  We're not trying to solve this.  It's a complex problem - that involves not just software but process and laws too - and that is why NIST is having the workshop - to understand what is available.  Similarly it would be wrong for us to say - eVoting is easy - here is how you do it with EML.   However - saying - if you do eVoting then here are the safeguards you need today - is prudent - so if people do

this without those safeguards we are not at fault.

 

There is no prohibition in providing voters a receipt for their vote.  There are many reasons and places where a receipt showing how a voter voted would not be given but a receipt showing the voter voted and the vote was received for processing is often given (an “I voted today” sticker at the polling place is very common).

 

There's a huge difference between a confirmation and a receipt.  Many states legally forbid receipts.  For FVAP they have also ducked even sending back an email saying "Confirm ballot received" or similar.  Now of course the point here is that in the banking world - you do get a receipt - in your monthly statement and your returned checks.  In the voting world there is no equivalent - that say summarizes your ballot - 6 votes cast, 1 undervote, or similar - so you know that not only was your voted counted - but that the vote reflected your actual cast selections.



Once I, as a voter put my paper ballot in the ballot box, I have nothing that ties that back to me; nor do I ever get anything that allows me to see that my exact vote was counted the exact way I think I marked it.  So, I refrain from drawing that parallel.



That's not what is happening for FVAP.  States will authenticate your returned ballot - so its only partly secret ballot.  Otherwise anyone can duplicate ballots and cast them.  Once the ballot is authenticated - then it will be added to the UOCAVA votes pile and hence become anonymous at that point.

 

The point on votes sold/influenced is a good one and holds true for all unobserved voting (voting that does not take place in an environment where the voter is given privacy by way of a controlled facility/process.



OK

 

The listed mitigation aspects seem correct, regardless of voting method.

 

OK



I believe transparency and auditability are our primary points and are the strengths most obvious for EML.

 

OK



I do not agree that a “paper ballot is required to ensure audit trail and verification”; dual pathing and encrypting/signing offer techniques that can yield an independent validation/audit.  I don’t think it has not been deployed in any election but we need to avoid mandating something based on personal bias or lack of common usage.



While good tools dual pathing and encryption both fail the need to be able audit independently of the computers.   As we have seen repeatedly in the US - having solely digital records has led to inability to verify actual cast votes - and or loss of cast votes.  Plus what FVAP is currently contemplated for UOCAVA does not involve dual pathing.  The  Figure 2 with the A and B verification hints at dual pathways - without going into the complexity details at this stage.  Then there is the fact that NIST with their VVSG SI have de facto required paper as the single foolproof means to ensure that is met currently.  So the conclusion is that paper is the preferred dual path mechanism today - that is simple and clear for legislators to comprehend and is also easiest for existing election boards to handle and is the common usage today.



 

 

From: David RR Webber (XML) [mailto:david@drrw.info]
Sent: 2010-07-13 11:40 AM
To: eml
Subject: [election-services] Draft position paper for EAC/NIST UOCAVA workshop
Importance: High

 

John,

 

Attached word doc.  This follows the approach we used for the previous NIST workshop.

 

Notice they limit to 5 pages of content and PDF - so once everyone is happy with content - we can generate PDF from this.

 

I've deliberately made this high level - since they are calling merely for topic input at this time - more formal papers and presentations would be at the actual event.

 

From my work with UOCAVA - and knowledge of the previous SERVE project - the biggest challenge I see is that legislators have only a slim grasp of the issues - have a hard time comparing e-voting and the internet with say online banking - and so I've tried to break this down using pictures and bullet points for now - to compare the similarities and differences.

 

I see our audience here is beyond the technical one at NIST itself - and more to the decision makers at the state and federal levels who need clear answers.

 

Obviously for the actual event we'd want to do something much more formal.

 

The deadline is COB July 16th on this - Friday - so our group here needs to make quick review and comments so we can hit that.

 

Thanks, DW

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