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Subject: Re: [emergency-adopt] Re: A few fixes
Thanks so much, Dee, It's good to be able to move this forward. Cheers, Rex Dee Schur wrote: > Hi Rex, > I spoke with Mary regarding the white paper. This was originally a product > of the EI Steering Committee and it is no problem to use this template, > http://docs.oasis-open.org/templates/. > There are no IPR restrictions on member sections, so just make certain to > state that this is a product of the OASIS Emergency Interoperability Member > Section and not the EM TC we are good to go! > Best, > Dee > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rex Brooks [mailto:rexb@starbourne.com] > Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 11:59 PM > To: Mary McRae > Cc: Waters, Jeff CIV SPAWAR SSC PAC, 53621; Dee Schur; Carol Geyer; > dellis@sandia.gov; emergency-adopt@lists.oasis-open.org > Subject: [emergency-adopt] Re: A few fixes > > Hi Mary, > > Actually, the TC assigned the task of reviewing and suggesting changes > to the Infrastructure Framework SC, but I understand the need to conduct > these discussions on that list, so I am copying that list with this > message and we will conduct the rest of our discussions in that forum. > > Putting this document into the specification format is doable, since it > is not finished, but if the OASIS Board is going to review this policy, > I will suggest we wait for the result that review, and my personal > recommendation will have to be based on that outcome. > > Thanks for getting us back on track, Mary. > > Cheers, > Rex > > Mary McRae wrote: > >> For some reason this paper isn't being discussed on the TC list; any >> discussion with regard to the document must happen there. Once again, >> this template is not to be used for this document; the only approved >> document template for TC work is the specification template. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jul 27, 2009, at 1:36 PM, Waters, Jeff CIV SPAWAR SSC PAC, 53621 >> wrote: >> >> >>> Hi, All: >>> >>> I like the looks of this format very much. Thanks to Rex and >>> everyone for making this paper so nice. >>> >>> I fixed a few items (see attached document with changes recorded), >>> but perhaps to an earlier Friday version than Rex's latest, sorry. >>> I've listed the primary ones below. >>> >>> (1) The iso 639 code link was broken, so I revised it. >>> (2) Figure 1 needed to be moved down two paragraphs and the reference >>> to it moved accordingly, in order for the current text to make sense. >>> (3) The "DE Distribution Tags" subheading was lost, it was appearing >>> as just regular text, so I fixed that. >>> (4) (There is still a formatting problem with pages 11/12, which I >>> didn't fix.) >>> (5) Some of the http://... links were not links, so I made them links. >>> (6) This version still has the DE schema in Appendix A, which I >>> prefer. I agree with Mary that normally and traditionally and from a >>> data management view, one would just link to the schema; however, for >>> adoption and educational purposes especially from a printout that one >>> could read on a train or wherever, it's useful to have it with the >>> paper. I also was making another point by including it as Appendix >>> A. The point is that the DE is simple, it's only 3 pages, and in >>> fact, it's so simple I can include it as an Appendix right here for >>> the reader's convenience in a printout. I also liked the idea of >>> handing the paper to someone and having it be complete and >>> stand-alone. The power of being able to hold something in your hand >>> is still valuable. When I show the paper to someone, I will flip to >>> the back and point at things. It's useful to have the schema there in >>> the printout for these instantaneous educational and tutorial >>> purposes without having to take the time to go look it up. So my >>> preference would be to leave it in. My suggestion is that we have >>> both an official link (that won't change) to the schema referenced in >>> the paper, but also include the schema in the Appendix as an >>> unofficial convenience. (When a new version of the schema comes out, >>> a new version of the paper will also need to come out, and there will >>> be no confusion which schema the old paper was referencing because >>> it's right there in the Appendix.) >>> >>> --Jeff >>> 619-208-3018 >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> >>> From: Rex Brooks [mailto:rexb@starbourne.com] >>> Sent: Sat 7/25/2009 9:31 AM >>> To: Waters, Jeff CIV SPAWAR SSC PAC, 53621 >>> Cc: Dee Schur; carol.geyer@oasis-open.org; mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org; >>> dellis@sandia.gov >>> Subject: Re: >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks Jeff, Hi Dee, Carol, Mary, Dave, >>> >>> I deleted the old stylesheet which was a mix of the stylesheet you have >>> on your machine, Jeff, and selections from the OASIS Specification >>> Template which I originally advised, and replaced it with the OASIS >>> Specification Template and adjusted the styling throughout, which >>> brought the total number pages down from 18 to 14. I put the two >>> Figures, the Schema and Example into the "code" format which I think >>> sets it off better. >>> >>> Carol, Dee, Mary, this is not a White Paper per se even though it >>> addresses some of the things a White Paper does. I am putting it into >>> the White Paper Template, too, and I will send it to you when I'm done. >>> However, we want to get the feedback process started and we need to be >>> clear that our approach doesn't fall neatly into a White Paper category. >>> We also want to get this out as soon as we can, with the caveats I >>> suggest at the end of this too-long message. >>> >>> Background: We are in the midst of defining a set of document and >>> documentation types plotted against target vendor and governmental >>> audiences for each specification at beginning, intermediate, and >>> advanced levels. Further differentiations are being worked for >>> non-technical managers, technical staff, and decision makers, and there >>> will be further refinements. >>> >>> In the EM Adoption TC's Collateral and Documents SC, which I'm chairing, >>> we are developing a spreadsheet that plots document types against >>> audience types, so that we can keep track of our thinking and create the >>> framework for documenting our progress and providing accountability. We >>> want to learn from our experience in a structured way. >>> >>> We are coordinating with the EDXL-RIM (Reference Information Model) SC >>> for its immediate need for a similar Basic or Welcome document, as well >>> as the next level up, an intermediate technical audience. >>> >>> We think each of these audience groups need to be addressed in different >>> ways for different purposes. Needless to say, we are only at the >>> beginning, and this is the first time we've done this, so we wanted to >>> get to a point where it makes sense to ask you for your feedback, and >>> that is what we need from you as soon as you can get to it. >>> >>> We actually have enough people working on these projects to make decent >>> progress. What I think we need to do is to develop an identifiable look >>> and feel for the format and a tone for the writing for each of these >>> levels and avoid the kitchen-sink syndrome where we try to address all >>> audiences at all levels simultaneously. Of course, then the task will be >>> to get the appropriate documents to the correct audience. >>> >>> As I said, I am putting this document into the White Paper format so >>> that we can compare and think about the distinctions we want to make. I >>> really like the White Paper format as a former art director-designer, >>> but I worry that a technical audience might not know what to do with it, >>> e.g. how to interpret it, as in "Is this addressed to me?" >>> >>> Dave, Jeff has cast the issue of the lack of complete DE-aware >>> distribution in the last sentence of the first paragraph of Section 6: >>> "There are a number of current distribution mechanisms available while >>> fully DE-aware solutions are emerging." Remember, we are trying to focus >>> on what can be done now and staying as positive as we can. Making >>> negative statements like, "Fully DE-aware solutions are not yet >>> available," will tend to discourage rather than encourage our audience. >>> >>> Further, in the last paragraph, Jeff writes: "Of course, these options >>> are only the beginning..." and while I don't want to lead our audience >>> into thinking they can achieve everything in the DE now, we have to >>> build adoption and demand for that now. >>> >>> However, having said that, I think we really need to get a second, >>> intermediate level document underway soon, perhaps working with Gary Ham >>> and DM OPEN. At the same time we should make sure that DM OPEN is clear >>> with anyone we channel to them that this whole system is being >>> overhauled and full implementation efforts should be coordinated with >>> their timeline. Otherwise, everyone we send their way will come away >>> with a really bad impression when that system is changed in such a way >>> that it will not be backward compatible, and that is exactly what >>> they're doing. >>> >>> We have to very careful with this. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Rex >>> >>> Waters, Jeff CIV SPAWAR SSC PAC, 53621 wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, Rex: >>>> >>>> Sorry this took me awhile to send to you. I didn't yet join the >>>> infrastructure subcommittee, so perhaps you could upload these >>>> documents to the resources folder for me. Also I wanted to give you >>>> another chance to look at the changes I made to last paragraph of >>>> Section 6 before uploading. If you don't agree with what I did, >>>> please change back to wording you used or otherwise as you see fit. >>>> >>>> I'm cc'ing Dee, so she'll know that basically (after your review >>>> and upload), it may be ready to vote this draft out of the >>>> infrastructure subcommittee. Thanks. >>>> >>>> --Jeff >>>> >>>> P.S. I wanted to revise the last paragraph of Section 6 to ensure we >>>> include Dave's concern that people realize that routing solutions >>>> which will take full advantage of the DE have yet to be developed. I >>>> tried to say this in a positive way. Also I wanted to note that >>>> additional papers explaining EDXL will be forthcoming, but to do so >>>> in a positive way without implying that people need to wait before >>>> proceeding to adopt. I added your wording to the excel spreadsheet >>>> and also the wording I revised and why. On the other hand, if you >>>> don't like what I did, you can change back. >>>> >>>> Your wording was: >>>> >>>> "Please be aware that this is a basic introduction to a necessarily >>>> technical topic and is aimed at an audience with a managerial level >>>> understanding of the technical issues involved. It is not intended >>>> to be a comprehensive technical manual. An intermediate technical >>>> level paper is planned to which managers can refer their technical >>>> staff for guidance in getting started on implementing EDXL-DE in >>>> order to distribute the various emergency communications message >>>> payloadss for which EDXL-DE is intended." >>>> >>>> My thoughts and revision: >>>> >>>> I may be wrong, but I'm not sure this paragraph is necessary. The >>>> title and many parts of paper refer to this as a "basic" intro, and >>>> I think it's clear that it is not a comprehensive technical manual. >>>> Although basic, I'm not sure I agree that it is directed toward >>>> managers, since I don't think managers are interested in the xml >>>> examples. Also I'm afraid this paragraph might suggest to readers >>>> that they should wait until the next paper comes out before >>>> proceeding. It is important to note that the routing solutions >>>> proposed are not complete and don't take full advantage of the DE. >>>> Also important to note that other explanatory papers are in the >>>> offing. So suggest revising to rephrase main points in a more >>>> positive light. Section 6 last paragraph to read: "Of course, these >>>> options are only the beginning. New routing solutions and >>>> architectures are needed to take full advantage of the DE. Now is a >>>> good time to consider joining OASIS so your company or organization >>>> can assist in these efforts." Also added this line to the end of 1st >>>> paragraph of Section 7 Conclusion: "Additional papers explaining the >>>> details of the EDXL standards are underway." >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> Rex Brooks >>> President, CEO >>> Starbourne Communications Design >>> GeoAddress: 1361-A Addison >>> Berkeley, CA 94702 >>> Tel: 510-898-0670 >>> >>> >>> >>> <EDXL-DE-Basics-WD05[1]-JeffFixes.doc> >>> >> >> > > > -- Rex Brooks President, CEO Starbourne Communications Design GeoAddress: 1361-A Addison Berkeley, CA 94702 Tel: 510-898-0670
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