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Subject: RE: [emergency-msg] Pre-Face-to-Face Meeting Looks unlikely


I agree that we not eat up F2F time discussing tools. I think we need to
either pick one or have those doing the "DOM" editing use the one(s)
they're most comfortable with. The second approach will limit the
ability to share editing responsibility for single "DOM"s, but it's how
we've done it in the past.


Patti Iles Aymond, PhD 
Senior Scientist, Research & Development 
Innovative Emergency Management, Inc.
Managing Risk in a Complex World

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-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Grapes [mailto:tgrapes@evotecinc.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 8:21 AM
To: 'Rex Brooks'; 'Renato Iannella'; 'Emergency_Mgt_Msg_SC'
Subject: RE: [emergency-msg] Pre-Face-to-Face Meeting Looks unlikely

I recommend we do not defer a tool decision, and we should not spend
in the FtoF discussing this.  We have a specific urgent need and a lot
work to do.  Let's get the diagrams and the spec done and in public
and then raise the tool discussion up to the TC (or maybe OASIS
overall?) to
consider the benefits of applying a single UML tool.


-----Original Message-----
From: Rex Brooks [mailto:rexb@starbourne.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 7:49 PM
To: Renato Iannella; Emergency_Mgt_Msg_SC
Subject: Re: [emergency-msg] Pre-Face-to-Face Meeting Looks unlikely

Thanks Renato,

We should hold off on deciding between VP and ArgoUML until we've had 
a chance to weigh the consequences for existing work. Regardless, 
however, we would need to opt for the Community (Free) Edition of VP 
unless they might be persuaded to donate some copies for us to use.

However, I did not have a worthwhile result in my attempt to persuade 
IBM to duplicate their prior donation of Rational tools to another 
TC.  They eventually stopped responding when it was clear that their 
attempts to foist me off onto a sales rep were as ineffective at 
securing a sale as my attempts at soliciting a donation. In order 
words, I won't bother with it again, but I would be happy as a clam 
if anyone else were able to get VP or MagicDraw or even old Big Blue 
to make such a donation.

The file format issue has always been the major failing of UML, and 
XMI, even when it works, suffers from the mismatch between vendor 
implementations of the standard. It is one of the reasons, oddly 
enough, for my goal of inching us toward an MDA approach backed up by 
reference implementations of object libraries. IT"S one way to get 
good operational interoperability, and severely discourage vendor 
implementations that are just a few key steps short of genuine 
interoperability, but that are very effective arguments for 
vendor-specific solutions that pay lip service to standards.


At 10:03 AM +1000 12/1/06, Renato Iannella wrote:
>On 1 Dec 2006, at 01:54, Tim Grapes wrote:
>>  I am downloading and installing Visual Paradigm
>>UML Community Edition (free w/restricted capabilities, okay for
>>modeling purposes) and ArgoUML(free open source w/liimited
>>capabilities also okay for modeling purposes),
>We use VP-UML (Modeller Edition).
>I just tried importing/exporting between VP-UML and ArgoUML and
>it failed miserably!! (so much for XMI interoperability)
>Cheers...  Renato Iannella
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