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Subject: Re: [emergency] Unique Message Identifiers in CAP
At 9:44 AM -0500 3/27/04, R. Allen Wyke wrote: >>With equal respect, I'm not sure we all know enough about each >>others' experiences for any of us to claim superior standing on >>that basis. > >As well you shouldn't, which is what prompted the need for me to >make the statement. Um... actually I was talking about your implication that only you (and perhaps a few of your buddies) have ever built systems to standards before. Many others of us have, many times over many years, and I really think the members of this TC deserve more respect and less personal agenda from their Chair. - Art At 9:44 AM -0500 3/27/04, R. Allen Wyke wrote: >On Mar 26, 2004, at 6:48 PM, Art Botterell wrote: > >>At 4:59 PM -0500 3/26/04, R. Allen Wyke wrote: >>>With all due respect, there is a dimension to building systems >>>that support standards, and therefore building standards that can >>>be supported, that not everyone has experience with nor are they >>>expected to. >> >>With equal respect, I'm not sure we all know enough about each >>others' experiences for any of us to claim superior standing on >>that basis. > >As well you shouldn't, which is what prompted the need for me to >make the statement. > >>>An interface is built, however it is impossible to connect with >>>other systems in a standard (official) way as that means of >>>connection has not been defined. >> >>Well, as mentioned earlier, isn't that really an Infrastructure issue? > >It is an issue that the IF SC has been assigned to provide >information back on, which that have done to some degree. It is >certainly, as I think you are implying, time to take next steps with >that now that CAP 1.0 is finished from a content standpoint. > >>Anyway, seems like DMIS is fairly "official"... unless what we >>really mean by that is "our own"... and quite a number of folks >>have managed to connect successfully to that. Have you tried it? > >That is not the issue. Do not confuse "official", as in something >built by someone, with something that has been through the OASIS >process via the EM TC. DMIS, as it pertains to the EM TC, is not >official. > >>> Your ethical responsibility as a standards developer is to put a >>>usable standard out there for people to implement, and then seek >>>to improve it. >> >>Guess I'm not clear on what your criterion for "usable" is. A >>number of folks are using the CAP format right now... several of >>them daily and in significant volume. > >I am, in as simply a way as I know how to say, referring to two >completely different systems who did NOT have offline conversations >being able to exchange CAP alerts. An analogy would be point to >supporting HTML (author/user agent). > >>Again, I think what you're talking about isn't the CAP messaging >>format but some other Infrastructure standard that we've yet to >>devise. Perhaps eventually it could all be rolled together into >>something that came closer to your preferred definition of >>"protocol", > >Yes, that is what I am saying. If you want to call it an >Infrastructure standard, or whatever, that is fine. As I have stated >before, how this situation manifests itself into a normative and >actionable state in terms of a standard can vary, but right now I >consider that secondary to acknowledging and continuing to work >on/discuss the technical details. > >>but we'll have to get the missing bits before that becomes an option. > >Not sure what you mean by this - "missing bits." Just look at the >DMIS implementation that people connected to. Talk all the >discussions that happened, what was the technical result of those >discussions, plus all the lessons learned and you have a great start >on turing this into something official, which takes care of my >issues as well as others who have expressed them. > >>- Art >> >>To unsubscribe from this mailing list (and be removed from the >>roster of the OASIS TC), go to >>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/emergency/members/leave_workgroup.php.
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