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Subject: Re: [emergency] Re: [emergency-comment] Fwd: CAP Implimentation inCompassLDE


Rex et al :

Great ...

If you wish to progress this further -
I believe the next (protocol) step would be for this TC and the
ebXMLRegistry TC to review a discussion document that would be jointly
presented at the next meeting of the e-Government TC (phew !!).

have a nice weekend
carl

<quote who="Rex Brooks">
> Thanks Carl,
>
> I'm also a member of the eGov TC and I have a great interest in this
> pilot project because it has the potential to add that
> "international" component to the range I spoke of in my message. This
> week, I learned in the course of Farrukh Najmi's brief presentation
> on ebXML Registry Note for WSRP Thursday, that XACML is implementable
> via ebXML Registry. That makes the issue of developing "trust
> networks" with role-based access provisions via that mechanism
> possible in an interoperable way now. That answered a particular
> question I had as I explored WSS and WS-I Basic Security Profile,
> since it seems very likely that role-based access is one requirement
> I think the EM community will have in addition to propagating userid,
> establishing secure channels, non-repudiation, encrypting message
> payloads, etc...
>
> Ciao,
> Rex
>
> Thanks, and I will look into liaising with you on this, if you're
> interested.
>
> At 9:31 AM -0400 8/6/04, Carl Mattocks wrote:
>>Rex et al :
>>It may be possible to address these requirements as an extension of the
>>joint E-Government / ebXMLRegistry Tc effort that aims to publish best
>>practices around collaborative development of content.
>>
>>finest regards
>>Carl Mattocks
>>
>><quote who="Rex Brooks">
>>>  Thanks, Allen,
>>>
>>>  It looks like the time has come to address this overall issue. I
>>>  uploaded a general presentation on WSS, borrowed from the WSRP TC
>>>  which is one of several areas of concern that all intersect in this
>>>  specific issue of establishing trust networks. In this case the area
>>>  is web services. In line with the various transport-specific
>>>  requirements, we might want to consider gathering requirements for an
>>>  EM-specific registry, especially in the context of developing the
>>>  message-wrapper for setting context(s). A great deal of work has
>>>  already been done in ebXML and UDDI, so we are far from starting from
>>>  a zero point.
>>>
>>>  I was going to upload the presentations and discussions we have been
>>>  having this week for related issues in security in the WSRP meetings,
>>>  but they have gotten too specific to be valuable in a more general
>>>  context, let alone in narrowing back down to a CAP-specific
>>>  discussion, and we still have one more today. However, it has been
>>>  instructive.
>>>
>>>  An EM Registry need not be web-only, but could have sections per
>>>  transport mechanism with recommendations for how to organize it to
>>>  list a registrant's organizational capabilities, memberships,
>>>  protocols/standards supported, etc. While that approach might entail
>>>  multiple or repeated entries where an organization spans transports,
>>>  it could be organized in such a way as to make establishing trust
>>>  relationships reliable without having too great an overhead cost.
>>>
>>>  Regardless, such a registry would need to have the support and
>>>  cooperation of the governmental jurisdictional authorities from the
>>>  local to the international levels, but the movement toward
>>>  cooperation in these areas appears to be favorable, for now at least.
>>>
>>>  Ciao,
>>>  Rex
>>>
>>>  At 6:52 AM -0400 8/6/04, R. Allen Wyke wrote:
>>>>Note that I moved this discussion over to the TC thread and took it
>>>>off the Public Comment list.
>>>>
>>>>Also, please notice that what JD is asking is not "what's possible",
>>>>but rather "what's official".
>>>>
>>>>On Aug 5, 2004, at 8:08 PM, David Aylward wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Claude:
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes, but not yet in the best way, integrating the data flow into and
>>>>> out
>>>>>of the CAD system.  Obviously that requires an interface with the CAD
>>>>>system, which we are looking forward to doing soon.
>>>>>
>>>>>David Aylward
>>>>>Director
>>>>>The ComCARE Alliance
>>>>>888 17th St., N.W.
>>>>>Washington, DC 20006
>>>>>202-429-0574 Extension 247
>>>>>202-296-2962 (fax)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: Bullard, Claude L (Len) [mailto:len.bullard@intergraph.com]
>>  >>>Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 5:16 PM
>>>>>To: David Aylward; R. Allen Wyke;
>>>>> emergency-comment@lists.oasis-open.org
>>>>>Cc: jdm@compasscom.com
>>>>>Subject: RE: [emergency-comment] Fwd: CAP Implimentation in CompassLDE
>>>>>
>>>>>Has that been tried with the 911 systems in your membership
>>>>>areas?
>>>>>
>>>>>len bullard
>>>>>intergraph public safety
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: David Aylward [mailto:daylward@comcare.org]
>>>>>Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 3:51 PM
>>>>>To: R. Allen Wyke; emergency-comment@lists.oasis-open.org
>>>>>Cc: jdm@compasscom.com
>>>>>Subject: RE: [emergency-comment] Fwd: CAP Implimentation in CompassLDE
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>There are a number of ways to do this, but the architecture our
>>>>> members
>>>>>have developed and trialed in the field with CAP assumes that:
>>  >>>
>>>>>1.  any emergency agency (broad definition of "agency") can initiate a
>>>>>CAP message (down the road there will need to be some rules about
>>>>> that)
>>>>>
>>>>>2.  either the initiating application, or a message broker serving it,
>>>>>either has the addresses (a local system), or queries a directory for
>>>>>the electronic addresses of agencies which have registered to receive
>>>>>it, and then transmits the message
>>>>>
>>>>>3.  one example of such a directory is the Emergency Provider Access
>>>>>Directory (EPAD) we are putting together, helped by a DOJ grant.
>>>>> There
>>>>>agencies register who they are, what service they provide, what
>>>>>incidents they want to hear about, the geographic area(s) of their
>>>>>incident interest, and the address(es) to which they want data sent.
>>>>>
>>>>>4.  Thus, for example, each client agency of yours would register the
>>>>>CompassCom electronic address for the incident types it wanted to
>>>>>receive for its area.
>>>>>
>>>>>5.  Message initiators would not need to know recipient agencies.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>We put a short Flash on our website (www.comcare.org) to illustrate
>>>>>this.  The link is on the left hand column of the website's front
>>>>> page.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>David Aylward
>>>>>Director
>>>>>The ComCARE Alliance
>>>>>888 17th St., N.W.
>>>>>Washington, DC 20006
>>>>>202-429-0574 Extension 247
>>>>>202-296-2962 (fax)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: R. Allen Wyke [mailto:emergency-tc@earthlink.net]
>>>>>Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 1:30 AM
>>>>>To: emergency-comment@lists.oasis-open.org
>>>>>Cc: jdm@compasscom.com
>>>>>Subject: [emergency-comment] Fwd: CAP Implimentation in CompassLDE
>>>>>
>>>>>Good question JD. I have forwarded this to the EM TC Public Comment
>>>>>list.
>>>>>
>>>>>Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>
>>>>>>From: "J.D. Main" <jdm@compasscom.com>
>>>>>>Date: August 4, 2004 12:35:59 PM EDT
>>>>>>To: emergency-tc@earthlink.net
>>>>>>Subject: CAP Implimentation in CompassLDE
>>>>>>Reply-To: jdm@compasscom.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Allen,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>CompassCom plans to add the CAP message to our API and thus
>>>>>>make our Mobile Asset Tracking product line "CAP Compatible"  I
>>>>>>understand the format and purpose of the CAP message.  I am a bit
>>>>>>fuzzy on where they would come from in a real implimentation.   In a
>>>>>>real sense, I must set up a CAP listener - who is broadcasting?  Is
>>>>>>there a process of registering an implimentation of my application
>>>>>with
>>>>>>those agencies who would broadcast a CAP message?  My apologies
>>>>>>if these questions seem basic, but I have not discovered any
>>>>>>documentation to clear this up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Please let me know what you think.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Best Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>J.D. Main
>>>>>>
>>>>>>CompassCom, Inc.
>>>>>>6770 S. Dawson Circle, Unit 1A
>>>>>>Centennial, CO 80112
>>>>>>PH:  303-680-3221
>>>>>>Fax:  303-766-2488
>>>>>>www.compasscom.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
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>>
>>
>>--
>>Carl Mattocks
>>
>>co-Chair OASIS (ISO/TS 15000) ebXMLRegistry Semantic Content SC
>>co-Chair OASIS Business Centric Methodology TC
>>CEO CHECKMi
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>
>
> --
> Rex Brooks
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> W3Address: http://www.starbourne.com
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Carl Mattocks

co-Chair OASIS (ISO/TS 15000) ebXMLRegistry Semantic Content SC
co-Chair OASIS Business Centric Methodology TC
CEO CHECKMi
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