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Subject: RE: [emergency] Fwd: Messaging Standards Meeting Report

The messaging standards meeting report contained inaccuracies due to a
vendor using "we did" attached to statements of participation, when if
fact the participation is minimum and late. This was more of "marketing
hype and business plan posturing" rather than technical prowess.
Unfortunately those statements found their way into the report as
factual evidence and not dismissed as a marketing ploy. In retrospect I
should have voiced my thoughts but choose not to in the interest of
maintaining a civil atmosphere. That approach will not repeated again.
Elysa presented a very good overview OASIS and the EMTC work. Again, the
process the EM TC follows is skewed in the report and not fully factual
to our published process. 

Tom Merkle
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-----Original Message-----
From: Art Botterell [mailto:acb@incident.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 12:36 PM
To: emergency@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [emergency] Fwd: Messaging Standards Meeting Report

Friends -

For the record I want to challenge two inflated claims that appear in
that meeting report:

>DM approached OASIS and requested that OASIS change its standardization

>process to meet DM's needs and OASIS agreed.

OASIS has not changed its process in any way intended to meet DM's
needs.  Nor has this TC departed from that process.  All this TC agreed
to do was accept submissions from DM and the EIC as a basis for
standard-making efforts, in exactly the same way it accepted the PPW
submission of requirements and a draft for CAP two years earlier.

>DM and the EIC created CAP because public safety practitioners 
>emphasized that they could not share information.

Neither DM nor the EIC created CAP.  Neither group's involvement began
until CAP was brought into the OASIS standards process, by which time it
was already at version 0.7 and reflected two years' documented prior
effort, including prototyping and field trials, by the CAP Working Group
and the Partnership for Public Warning among others.  And even then, DM
was only one member of this Technical Committee.

Nor is information sharing among public safety practitioners the primary
purpose of CAP.  From the beginning the goal of CAP has been to
translate scientific research on the effectiveness of public warnings
into a usable standard for the dissemination and coordination of such
warnings.  (Specifically, CAP's origins and structure can be traced back
to the recommendations of the "Effective Disaster Warnings" report
issued by the National Science and Technology Council in November,
2000.) Information sharing among practitioners is the goal of EDXL, not

These misrepresentations trouble me, not only because they disregard the
selfless contributions of a number of people and groups over several
years, but because they suggest a self-serving disregard for accuracy
that puts the entire document in question.

- Art

At 8:45 PM -0600 3/1/05, Elysa Jones wrote:
>This forwarded email and attachments is a summary of the work done 
>during the Feb 16-17 meeting in Washington, DC referenced in the EM-TC 
>minutes of 2/22/05.  Elysa Jones EM-TC Chair represented the work we 
>are doing in OASIS.  Other TC members were also present:
>Michael Daconta, Tom Merkle, Paul Embley, and Sukamar Dwarkankanath.
>>Delivered-To: ejones@warningsystems.com
>>From: "Hines, Chip" <Chip.Hines@dhs.gov>
>>To: "Hines, Chip" <Chip.Hines@dhs.gov>,
>>         "'tmerkle@capwin.org'" <tmerkle@capwin.org>,
>>         "'daylward@comcare.org'" <daylward@comcare.org>,
>>         "'michael.daconta@dhs.gov'" <Michael.Daconta@dhs.gov>,
>>         "'bkalin@clarustechnology.com'"
>>         "'gordon.fullerton@dhs.gov'" <Gordon.Fullerton@dhs.gov>,
>>         "'ashley.baker@touchstone.com'"
>>         "'christopher.traver@usdoj.gov'"
>>         "'david.kelley@itsware.net'" <david.kelley@itsware.net>,
>>         "'mwalton@eteam.com'" <mwalton@eteam.com>,
>>         "'mcginnis@nasemsd.org'" <mcginnis@nasemsd.org>,
>>         "'vince.pearce@fhwa.dot.gov'" <vince.pearce@fhwa.dot.gov>,
>>         "'pembley@mstar2.net'" <pembley@mstar2.net>,
>>         "'bslaski@atsintl.com'" <bslaski@atsintl.com>,
>>         "'mike.hulme@unisys.com'" <mike.hulme@unisys.com>,
>>         "'rhixson@nena.org'" <rhixson@nena.org>,
>>         "'ksilhol@nlets.org'" <ksilhol@nlets.org>,
>>         "'ejones@warningsystems.com'" <ejones@warningsystems.com>,
>>         "'ron.prater@touchstone.com'" <ron.prater@touchstone.com>,
>>         "'nhouser@ghinternational.com'"
>>         "'ltincher@evolutiontechinc.com'"
>>         "'tom.stout@fhwa.dot.gov'" <tom.stout@fhwa.dot.gov>,
>>         "'cadew@apco911.org'" <cadew@apco911.org>,
>>         "'zeunik@theiacp.org'" <zeunik@theiacp.org>,
>>         "'elee@nga.org'" <elee@nga.org>,
>>         "'robert.e.greeves@usdoj.gov'" <robert.e.greeves@usdoj.gov>,
>>         "'ken.gill@usdoj.gov'" <ken.gill@usdoj.gov>,
>>         "'thembree@csg.org'" <thembree@csg.org>,
>>         "'john.wandelt@gtri.gtech.edu'"
>>         "'kanwalm@saic.com'" <kanwalm@saic.com>,
>>         "'manny.insignares@consystec.com'"
>>         "'phalley@comcare.org'" <phalley@comcare.org>,
>>         "'tgrapes@evolutiontechinc.com'"
>>         "'sdwarkanath@comcare.org'" <sdwarkanath@comcare.org>
>>Cc: "'chiefhrm@leo.gov'" <chiefhrm@leo.gov>
>>Subject: Messaging Standards Meeting Report
>>Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 17:44:16 -0500
>>X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72)
>>X-NAS-Bayes: #0: 0; #1: 1
>>X-NAS-Classification: 0
>>X-NAS-MessageID: 23373
>>X-NAS-Validation: {4FFF9F5B-0862-47C2-858F-59F6F684AC80}
>>Dear Participants,
>>We want to take this opportunity to thank you for your extremely 
>>valuable input and your commitment to coordinate efforts in the 
>>development of messaging standards.  We appreciate your time, energy, 
>>and contributions throughout the course of the event and look forward 
>>to collaborating with you at the next messaging standards meeting.
>>Your participation in the messaging meeting held on February 16-17, 
>>2005 created the momentum needed to bring together other standards 
>>developing organizations in order to reach our mutual goal of 
>>increasing information sharing.  From the presentations, where you 
>>shared what your organizations are working on, to the Principles and 
>>Points of Agreement, where you reached consensus about what steps must

>>be taken next in order to increase information sharing, your 
>>contributions will have a long-term impact on the messaging standards 
>>We hope to sustain the momentum and energy created in this meeting by 
>>calling on your expertise and experience to help develop and implement

>>the messaging standards initiative.
>>We would also ask for your help to provide input about which other 
>>organizations involved with messaging and data dictionaries standards 
>>should be invited to the next meeting.
>>Attached to this document are the meeting report, a list of potential 
>>organizations to involve in this ongoing effort, and a list of draft 
>>definitions for conflicting vocabulary.
>>Please provide contact information you may have for the proposed 
>>organizations, along with upgrades to the draft definitions. Your 
>>comments and feedback concerning the report are also welcome.  A zip 
>>file containing presentations given at the meeting will be sent by 
>>Ashley Baker.  Please send all questions and comments to myself or 
>>Ashley at 
>>We look forward to working with you all in the future, and again thank

>>you for your participation.
>>Chip Hines
>>Program Manager
>>Disaster Management eGov Initiative
>>Office of the Chief Information Officer Emergency Preparedness and 
>>Response/FEMA Department of Homeland Security
>>(202) 646-3115
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>HD:Messaging Standards R#BF7B7.doc (WDBN/<IC>) (000BF7B7)
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