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Subject: Re: [egov/em] International EDXL requirements - was Countermeasures for Epidemic of Congressional Ignorance?
- From: "Carl Reed OGC" <creed@opengeospatial.org>
- To: <peter@justbrown.net>, <judith.jerome@cabinet-office.x.gsi.gov.uk>, <Farrukh.Najmi@Sun.COM>, "Rex Brooks" <rexb@starbourne.com>
- Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 09:46:01 -0600
Interesting discussion. Just to add to the international mix of
requirements, I would also check out the e-GIF framework for Singapore. I see
the ones for the UK and New Zealand are already mentioned. To add to the mix is
the requirements for risk management and emergency services in Europe as
documented as part of the ORCHESTRA program. And in terms of expressing an
address, how about considering OASISs' own xAL (Extensible Address
Language) specification?
Finally, in terms of a registry of information as suggested by Duane, check
out EPAD -
www.epad.us
Cheers
Carl
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 9:09 AM
Subject: RE: [egov] Countermeasures for Epidemic of Congressional
Ignorance?
> Interesting developments. Fair warning, All,
>
> When the sia-pilot6 whose mailing is copied here is up and running, I
> will be very happy to write to this list again, if my archive hasn't
> disappeared again as it seems to every few years, and you'll actually
> see both geospatial and healthcare-related resources and actual
> services gathered together. And, as for Duane's specific use-cases,
> we are actually working on the Emergency Data Exchange Language
> (EDXL) Resource Messages specification in the OASIS Emergency
>
Management TC. Right now, we are separating requirements candidates
>
from a quite overspecified strawman from the industry/gov group that
>
performs that preliminary effort before these individual component
>
chunks in this series of specs is passed on to us. It actually makes
>
sense in a weird sort of way, because it does highlight the concerns
> of
practitioners, but it is quite a dance moving from here through to
> the
spec that gets pushed out for public comment such as the EDXL
>
Distribution Element is currently being scrutinized.
>
>
Ciao,
> Rex
>
> P.S. Since I'm in Berkeley, just across the
Bay from that there city
> where the intersection cited actually resides
in the so-called "real
> world," we could all meet there some
time.
>
> At 4:38 PM +0200 9/20/05, Peter F Brown
wrote:
>>The corner of Haight and Ashbury would seem the most
appropriate place to
>>gather in the case of an end-of-world
catastrophe: but are we betraying our
>>age if we admit to already
knowing how to get there??!! ;-)
>>
>>Peace 'n'
love,
>>Peter
>>
>>-----Original
Message-----
>>From: judith.jerome@cabinet-office.x.gsi.gov.uk
>>[mailto:judith.jerome@cabinet-office.x.gsi.gov.uk]
>>Sent:
20 September 2005 15:17
>>To: Farrukh.Najmi@Sun.COM; peter@justbrown.net
>>Cc: rexb@starbourne.com; dnickull@adobe.com; huml@lists.oasis-open.org;
>>emergency@lists.oasis-open.org;
egov@lists.oasis-open.org;
>>sia-pilot6@humanml.cim3;
Colin.Wallis@ssc.govt.nz
>>Subject:
RE: [egov] Countermeasures for Epidemic of Congressional
Ignorance?
>>
>>And along the same lines, what about some
openly developed geospatial
>>information systems similar to those
proposed by the Open Geospatial
>>Consortium? It is the actual
'location' of the corner of Haight and Ashbury
>>*and* how to get there
which becomes operative in these emergency scenarios.
>>And geographic
information, by definition, (off shore, coastal, satellite
>>imagery
etc.) is cross-border.
>>
>>What about a project where we
combine GIS intelligence with ebXML registry
>>based info and a
semantic interoperability approach?
>>
>>Just thoughts of the
moment.
>>
>>Judy
>>
>>Judith A.
Jerome
>>
>>Geographic Information
Specialist
>>
>>UK Cabinet Office, e-Government Unit
(Infrastructure Services)
>>
>>Stockley House, 130 Wilton
Road, London SW1V 1LQ
>>
>>Email: Judith.Jerome@Cabinet-office.x.gsi.gov.uk
>>
>>Tel:
+44 (0)207 276 3202
>>
>>Mobile: +44 (0)7887 690
616
>>
>>Fax: +44 (0)207 276
3292
>>
>>
>>-----Original
Message-----
>>From: Farrukh Najmi
[mailto:Farrukh.Najmi@Sun.COM]
>>Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 10:58
PM
>>To: peter@justbrown.net
>>Cc: 'Rex
Brooks'; 'Duane Nickull'; huml@lists.oasis-open.org;
>>emergency@lists.oasis-open.org;
egov@lists.oasis-open.org;
>>sia-pilot6@humanml.cim3;
Colin.Wallis@ssc.govt.nz
>>Subject:
Re: [egov] Countermeasures for Epidemic of Congressional
Ignorance?
>>
>>Peter F Brown
wrote:
>>>Interesting thread: just been talking in Vienna today on
exactly this
>>sort
>>>of use case with Edwin Bruce, head
of eGov projects in the New Zealand
>>>government. We both think
that there are opportunities for
>>collaboration in
>>>such
pilots: one only has to look at the recurrence of major
seasonal
>>>flooding in Central Europe in the last few years or the
ever present
>>>background threat of a major health pandemic, such
as Avian flu...these
>>are
>>>all naturally cross-agency
and cross-border phenomena and the ebXML
>>>federated registry model
coupled with some semantic interoperability
>>>approach would indeed
seem to fit the bill....
>>>
>>This scenario is very
similar to one a bunch of us collaborated on at
XML
>>2003.
>>
>>Slides are
at:
>>
>>http://ebxmlrr.sourceforge.net/presentations/oasis-demo-xml2003.sxi
>>http://ebxmlrr.sourceforge.net/presentations/oasis-demo-xml2003.ppt
>>
>>The
scenario was of Avian Flu Epidemic when it was big news in far
east
>>:-)
>>
>>It used ebXML Registry, ebXML
Messaging, ebXML CPP/A, XForms, XACML etc.
>>
>>If it were
done today OASIS CAP would also be included and potentially
some
>>other standards and
technologies.
>>>Peter
>>>
>>>-----Original
Message-----
>>>From: Rex Brooks
[mailto:rexb@starbourne.com]
>>>Sent: 19 September 2005
21:30
>>>To: Duane Nickull; Rex Brooks; huml@lists.oasis-open.org;
>>>emergency@lists.oasis-open.org;
egov@lists.oasis-open.org;
>>>sia-pilot6@humanml.cim3
>>>Subject:
RE: [egov] Countermeasures for Epidemic of
Congressional
>>Ignorance?
>>>
>>>Thanks foor
the reply, Duane,
>>>
>>>The pilot project I'm working
on now does some of this and is
a
>>Semantic
>>>Interoperability Rachitecture Pilot as well
as being SOA in a loosely
>>>coupled way, and we plan to use ebXML
REgistry/Repository as well as
>>many
>>>other components.
It's far from any kind of panacea, but i think it
>>will
be
>>>a small step in the right
direction.
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>Rex
>>>
>>>At
12:20 PM -0700 9/19/05, Duane Nickull wrote:
>>>
>>>>Rec:
>>>>
>>>>Sadly, in a
previous company we proposed an architecture to the
>>>>Canadian
Government (prior to being acquired by Adobe) for a low
costs
>>
>>>>system that would have helped alleviate
some of the problems from this
>>
>>>>type of
emergency.
>>>>
>>>>While dwelling on the past is
important to learn lessons, I also think
>>
>>>>it is
important to look forward and take action. The proposed
system
>>>>was registry based and would allow government
and civilian entities
>>to
>>>>register the following
via easy to use web forms:
>>>>
>>>>1. What types
of events they wish to be notified about and when.
>>>>Example:
If there is a landslide in the Rocky Mountains that blocks
a
>>>>public highway, notify me since I am a civilian trucking
company and I
>>
>>>>need to know this to reroute my
trucks or "Tell me about potential
>>>>hurricanes 48 hours in
advance since I have to collect and evacuate
>>>>elderly
people".
>>>>
>>>>2. A list of anything they have
that they would make available during
>>>>an emergency. Example:
I have a diesel generator and 200 gallons of
>>>>fuel in my
backyard
>>>>
>>>>3. Details of any services they
are prepared to offer during an
>>>>emergency (example: I have a
chainsaw and can help cut through
fallen
>>>>trees.
>>>>
>>>>4.
Details of how they can be contacted in an emergency
including
>>>>backup plans in case no infrastructure exists
(example: If the phones
>>>>are out, I will be at the corner of
Haight & Ashbury.
>>>>
>>>>5. Workflows and
procedures for emergency workers to
take.
>>>>
>>>>The idea is that everyone who has a
stake in a situation would have a
>>>>chance to play a
role. Agencies from local governments to
>>>>international
relief workers could all use it.
>>>>
>>>>The
architecture is public record since it was submitted to the GoC
as
>>
>>>>an RFI proposal. Anyone interested in
seeing it or making use of it
>>>>please let me know and I can
forward it to them.
>>>>
>>>>I think systems like
this would only cost around CAD $100,000 to
>>>>implement and
probably minimal $$ to keep operational. A
bargain
>>>>compared to the chaos that can result when things go
wrong.
>>>>
>>>>The architecture used the OASIS
CAP and the ebXML Registry/Repository
>>>>standards along with
other web service standards.
>>>>
>>>>Anyone want
to build
it?
>>>>
>>>>Duane
>>>>
>>>>-----Original
Message-----
>>>>From: Rex Brooks
[mailto:rexb@starbourne.com]
>>>>Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005
8:06 AM
>>>>To: huml@lists.oasis-open.org; emergency@lists.oasis-open.org;
>>>>egov@lists.oasis-open.org;
sia-pilot6@humanml.cim3
>>>>Subject:
[egov] Countermeasures for Epidemic of
Congressional
>>Ignorance?
>>>>
>>>>Hi
Everyone,
>>>>
>>>>Please excuse the inept and
mangled metaphors, but I think I have a
>> >>concussion
from being hit by this um, fiscal
responsibility?
>>>>
>>>>I note this with
considerable dismay since it looks a lot like we
>>>>suddenly
discovered that we are hemorrhaging from a leg so we
are
>>going
>>>>to amputate our right arm as if we could
somehow save the blood in
>>that
>>>>arm or keep it from
flowing out our gashed leg. Let's ignore how much
>>>>work that
arm could do, for things like, well, tying a
tourniquet
>>>>around the wound from which we are actually
bleeding?
>>>>
>>>>http://fcw.com/article90814-09-16-05-Web&newsletter%3Dyes
>>>>
>>>>Better
idea. Let's rescind the minimum wage and hire all
those
>>>>displaced refugees, oops, no, they're called.... what
was it? Ah yes,
>>>>evacuees. How much more civilized can you
get? I never thought
>>>>ignorance was contagious till
now.
>>>>
>>>>Rex
>>>>--
>>>>Rex
Brooks
>>>>President, CEO
>>>>Starbourne
Communications Design
>>>>GeoAddress: 1361-A
Addison
>>>>Berkeley, CA 94702
>>>>Tel:
510-849-2309
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>Rex
Brooks
>>>President, CEO
>>>Starbourne Communications
Design
>>>GeoAddress: 1361-A Addison
>>>Berkeley, CA
94702
>>>Tel:
510-849-2309
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>>--
>>Regards,
>>Farrukh
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> Starbourne Communications Design
> GeoAddress: 1361-A
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