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Subject: RE: [emergency] Emergency Management Vocabulary alignments?
Tim, This is a truly definitive response - terrific document - excellent resource for people to understand the work. Maybe a mini-FAQ section on the Kavi page - with a link to this doc?!? Thanks for sharing this. DW > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: RE: [emergency] Emergency Management Vocabulary alignments? > From: "Timothy Grapes" <tgrapes@evotecinc.com> > Date: Thu, February 14, 2008 2:21 pm > To: "'Ponikvar, Donald <CTR>'" <Donald.Ponikvar@associates.dhs.gov>, > "'David RR Webber \(XML\)'" <david@drrw.info> > Cc: "'Lee Tincher'" <ltincher@evotecinc.com>, "'Vandame, Richard'" > <Richard.Vandame@dhs.gov>, <emergency@lists.oasis-open.org> > > Don, > This is excellent and very encouraging. You folks are doing a great job. > Please keep us in the loop of the submission and harmonization process. The > hope is that EDXL elements can be submitted / updated in NIEM (but also new > versions of each EDXL standard) such that consistency is achieved and > maintained over time. > > Just as an FYI, a while back the NIEM Blue Team asked us to respond to the > following question received from the NIEM help desk. Attached is a summary > addressing the question and summarizing the proposal I mentioned earlier. > There's still a fair amount of education and coordination required moving > forward. > > Help Desk Question: > "What is EDXL and should we care? Is EDXL a competitor to NIEM of which we > need to be aware in case some of our stakeholders ask for it? Or a > complementary tool with which our NIEM projects might need to cooperate? > How should we position our NIEM projects with respect to EDXL?" > > Thanks, > > Tim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ponikvar, Donald <CTR> [mailto:Donald.Ponikvar@associates.dhs.gov] > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 12:11 PM > To: Timothy Grapes; David RR Webber (XML) > Cc: Lee Tincher; Vandame, Richard; emergency@lists.oasis-open.org > Subject: RE: [emergency] Emergency Management Vocabulary alignments? > > Interesting discussion. FYI, I have been invited to attend the next > meeting of the NBAC here in Washington DC on 28-29 Feb. > > The DHS Domestic Nuclear Detection Office (DNDO) has formally adopted > EDXL DE (along with CAP 1.1) as part of their overarching data model. > We have been asked by DHS to document our messaging approach in the > approved NIEM IEPD format, for submission to the DHS NIEM office for > consideration as an extension to the NIEM core. That work is well > underway. > > So yes, there are some initial efforts to gain recognition of the OASIS > standards as part of the DHS NIEM implementations. We are actually > fielding a messaging system through our Southeast Transportation > Corridor Pilot effort, and it will use the messaging protocols (with > OASIS standards) that we are submitting to NIEM. This exercise involves > nine States and the District of Columbia, and will provide some > real-world benchmarks for how well it all works together. We anticipate > initial capabilities in the April-May time frame, with a full > demonstration in the Fall. > > Just an encouraging word that SOME folks at DHS are hearing the gospel > message. > > Don Ponikvar > > Donald R. Ponikvar, PhD > SETA Support, Mission Management Directorate > DHS/Domestic Nuclear Detection Office > Washington, DC 20528 > > voice: 202-254-7530 > fax: 202-254-7751 > Blackberry: 202-368-4922 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: > emergency-return-835-Donald.Ponikvar=associates.dhs.gov@lists.oasis-open > .org > [mailto:emergency-return-835-Donald.Ponikvar=associates.dhs.gov@lists.oa > sis-open.org] On Behalf Of Timothy Grapes > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 11:14 AM > To: 'David RR Webber (XML)' > Cc: 'Lee Tincher'; Vandame, Richard; emergency@lists.oasis-open.org > Subject: RE: [emergency] Emergency Management Vocabulary alignments? > > David, > You got it. I don't know about future plans. Although they do have a > formal template for domain content submission, there is no current > governance to deal with submissions. I understand they are trying to > stand > up the NBAC (NIEM Business Architecture Committee) again. NIEM > governance > would be their responsibility - but you are right, ownership and process > outside of NIEM is also key. > > Thanks, > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: David RR Webber (XML) [mailto:david@drrw.info] > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 11:04 AM > To: Timothy Grapes > Cc: 'Lee Tincher'; 'Vandame,Richard'; emergency@lists.oasis-open.org > Subject: RE: [emergency] Emergency Management Vocabulary alignments? > > Tim, > > OK got it. > > The NIEM is just a giant vocabulary intended to be the base definitions > for > building conforming message exchanges from. > > So - no surprise they shredded OASIS messages into their base > components. > In future probably best to submit just the bsse definitions! They may > have > made changes to names of things to make sure they are fully NDR > compliant. > Again - that's something we can make sure of ahead of time too - but > would > be best to get agreement with NIEM on conformance and their signoff. > > The current NIEM V2.0 is from June 2007. My guess is that at some point > NIEM V3.0 work will occur. They do have a formal submission process for > domain stuff. The ownership and process for that though - obviously > that's > the trick here - to ensure our stuff is incorporated, corrected and > updated > for that. Would be nice also - since its domain, not core or universal > definitions - if we could get those updated and corrected sooner than > that... > > Some sleuthing into current contact points and so on. > > DW > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: RE: [emergency] Emergency Management Vocabulary alignments? > > From: "Timothy Grapes" <tgrapes@evotecinc.com> > > Date: Thu, February 14, 2008 10:41 am > > To: "'Vandame, Richard'" <Richard.Vandame@dhs.gov>, "'David RR > Webber > > \(XML\)'" <david@drrw.info>, <emergency@lists.oasis-open.org> > > Cc: "'Lee Tincher'" <ltincher@evotecinc.com> > > > > Rich is correct - some EDXL messages were the first non-Justice > content > > entered into NIEM, before harmonization processes were defined. At > that > > time, (to our surprise) the messages were broken apart and the > elements > put > > in the EM domain as well as in core. That's when we realized NIEM > wasn't > > addressing standard messages. The content is now old and incorrect > (to > what > > degree I don't know). > > > > Since that time (2 years ago) there has been no governance, process or > > funding to deal with this. Though we forwarded a detailed proposal > with > > DHS-OIC and NIEM for EDXL alignment (EDXL consume and maintain NIEM as > a > > common data dictionary), I don't think it has moved forward. That > proposal > > called for evolution into NIEM-compliant EDXL messaging standards > through > > re-use of NIEM data dictionary components, which are then evaluated as > NIMS > > "approved" messaging standards. The intended result is grant language > and > > program alignment such that implementation of EDXL messaging standards > by > > any entity results in the sending and receiving system deemed as NIMS, > NIEM, > > OIC-program and OASIS compatible. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Tim Grapes > > Evolution Technologies, Inc. > > Office: (703) 654-6075 > > Mobile: (703) 304-4829 > > tgrapes@evotecinc.com > > http://www.evotecinc.com/ > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Vandame, Richard [mailto:Richard.Vandame@dhs.gov] > > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 10:08 AM > > To: David RR Webber (XML); emergency@lists.oasis-open.org > > Subject: RE: [emergency] Emergency Management Vocabulary alignments? > > > > If I remember correctly, EDXL information was entered into NIEM > sometime > > back. Some of it is incorrect, but no one was able to get it changed. > > > > Anyone else? > > > > Rich > > > > Richard Vandame > > Program Specialist > > Standards & Technology Branch > > Incident Management Systems Integration Division > > DHS/FEMA > > office: 202-646-7666 > > BB: 202-412-9072 > > richard.vandame@dhs.gov > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: > emergency-return-829-Richard.Vandame=dhs.gov@lists.oasis-open.org > > > [mailto:emergency-return-829-Richard.Vandame=dhs.gov@lists.oasis-open.or > > g] On Behalf Of David RR Webber (XML) > > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 9:27 AM > > To: emergency@lists.oasis-open.org > > Subject: [emergency] Emergency Management Vocabulary alignments? > > > > I just found out that the NIEM V2.0 has a whole domain for Emergency > > Management that supports the National Incident-Based Reporting System > > (NIBRS). > > > > You can use NIEM online tools to explore these: > > > > http://ncsconline.org/niemwayfarer (best) > > > > and also > > > > http://niem.gtri.gatech.edu/niemtools/ssgt/SSGT-SearchSubmit.iepd > > > > There's a whole raft of information for emergency stuff - that we have > - > > that is duplicative - such as vehicle, bed, etc. > > > > I see others have already been here ahead of me. > > > > So for example we have bed, vehicle, etc information - searching in > > Wayfarer shows those. > > > > Bed search results: > > > > Matching Elements > > em:AdditionalCapacity24HrQuantity > > em:AdditionalCapacity72HrQuantity > > em:AvailableQuantity > > em:BaselineQuantity > > em:BedCapacity > > em:BedCategoryCode > > em:Capacity > > em:CapacityStatusCode > > > > Obviously we also have these in our schema. > > > > Now of course the NIEM is a giant boat anchor of a XSD fur ball. > > > > However - I could see the case for aligning to the dictionary - so > that > > names/definitions are equivalent - so you have published 100% > > correspondence for interoperability. > > > > This may be as simple as producing a spreadsheet with OASIS item and > > then the NIEM equivalent item... have we done that already? > > > > Of course one may want to create subset schema that include only those > > definitions extracted from the NIEM xsd fur ball - and built as a > > standalone xsd that is maintained independently thru OASIS. > > > > Is that essential what we have done? > > > > Thoughts? > > > > Just coming up the learning curve here! > > > > Thanks, DW > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that > > generates this mail. 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