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Subject: RE: [emergency] RE: EDXL-HAVE spec questions


Thanks David for your comments.  We will undoubtedly learn much through this trial by fire - or earthquake as the case may be.  We will get through this, get the people on the ground the schema they need (untold thanks to Lee Tincher and Evolution Technologies) what they need and make recommendations on process, artifacts, etc. as needed.  Regards, Elysa

At 08:28 AM 3/1/2010, David RR Webber \(XML\) wrote:

Elysa,
 
This illustrates why it is a very bad idea to put example XML in the specification.  Sigh. 
 
OASIS needs to stop doing this - and make examples external to the document - in the same way as XSD artifacts are.
 
Please tell them to go with what the xsd Schema is telling them the XML should be - and NOT the specification examples.
 
On their second point - Bed capacities - I too had puzzled over a good way to use this.  I agree with their call to use only BedType and ignore SubCategoryBedType.
 
It may help them to quickly load the EDXL schema into the CAM toolkit (sourceforge.net/projects/camprocessor) and then generate XML examples and documentation - so they can construct the exchange XML that they need.
 
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"It only allows zero or more <BedType> elements, followed by zero or more <SubCategoryBedType> elements, followed by zero or more <Capacity> elements.
 
I can't figure out how to properly represent or interpret bed capacities in this structure.  Can you advise on the correct method?  If it is true that this just doesn't work as intended, should we decide to use only <BedType> and avoid the use of <SubCategoryBedType> in the EDXL-HAVE Haiti Profile?"
Thanks, DW
 
 
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Subject: Re: [emergency] RE: EDXL-HAVE spec questions
From: Elysa Jones <ejones@warningsystems.com>
Date: Mon, March 01, 2010 8:29 am
To: "Lee Tincher" <ltincher@evotecinc.com>,"'Ka-Ping Yee'"
<kpy@google.com>, "'Bill Lang'" <wllang@shoreland.com>
Cc: "'Roni Zeiger'" <zeiger@google.com>, "'Martin Omander'"
<momander@google.com>, <emergency@lists.oasis-open.org>,"'Gusty, Denis'"
<Denis.Gusty@dhs.gov>, "'William Kalin'" <bill.kalin@associates.dhs.gov>

Sukumar, as editor of HAVE, can you respond to this ASAP?  I'm less concerned about "process" at this time than getting these folks what they need to be able to exchange HAVE messages in Hati.  Please respond.  Elysa

At 06:14 AM 3/1/2010, Lee Tincher wrote:

Ka-Ping,
 
You are correct in all points on the new Errata.  I have been in contact with OASIS to get this clarified/fixed ASAP.  The PR4 errata does not have many of these errors (but has some other ones)…
 
All – we need this clarified as soon as we can – this is excessively important to the success of HAVE in the Haiti response.
 
Thanks,
Lee
 
Better to write for yourself and have no public, than to write for the public and have no self.  - Cyril Connolly
 
From: Ka-Ping Yee [ mailto:kpy@google.com ]
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 5:27 AM
To: Lee Tincher; Bill Lang
Cc: Roni Zeiger; Martin Omander
Subject: EDXL-HAVE spec questions
 
Hello Lee,
I've run into a couple of problems with the EDXL specification, and was hoping you could help out?
 
This is the document I'm using:
http://docs.oasis-open.org/emergency/edxl-have/os/emergency_edxl_have-1.0-spec-os.pdf
 
(This is the link listed at http://www.oasis-open.org/specs/index.php#edxlhave.)
 
And this is the XSD schema I'm using:
http://docs.oasis-open.org/emergency/edxl-have/os/edxl-have-os.xsd
 
 
 
First, a few things that look like simple typos in the EDXL-HAVE example document (Appendix A):
 
1. The <xpil:OrganisationInfo> element seems to be in the wrong order.  According to the schema, it seems it should appear between <xnl:OrganisationName&\wgt; and <xpil:Addresses>, not after <xpil:Addresses>.  Can you confirm?
 
2. The example has a <have:TriageCount> element, but there is no such XML element in the schema.  According to the schema, it seems that <have:TriageCodeListURN> and <have:TriageCode> should be immediate children of  <have:EMSCapacity>.  Can you confirm?
 
3. The example has a <have:Offload> element, but there is no such XML element in the schema.  According to the schema, it seems that <have:EMSOffloadStatus> and <have:EMSOffloadMinutes> should be immediate children of <have:EMSAmbulanceStatus>.  Can you confirm?
 
4. The example has a <have:AdultGeneralSugery> element, which I assume is a typographic error and should be <have:AdultGeneralSurgery>.  Can you confirm?
 
 
Second, though, a more concerning problem with the BedCapacity section (Section 3.2.4):
 
The text, and example 1, suggest that the <have:BedCapacity> element should contain a (<BedType>, <Capacity>) pair, followed by any number of (<SubCategoryBedType>, <Capacity>) pairs.
 
However, example 1 doesn't validate.  The XSD schema doesn't allow for this structure; it only allows zero or more <BedType> elements, followed by zero or more <SubCategoryBedType> elements, followed by zero or more <Capacity> elements.
 
I can't figure out how to properly represent or interpret bed capacities in this structure.  Can you advise on the correct method?  If it is true that this just doesn't work as intended, should we decide to use only <BedType> and avoid the use of <SubCategoryBedType> in the EDXL-HAVE Haiti Profile?
 
 
 
Many thanks!
 
 
 
Ping
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