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Subject: RE: [energyinterop] [OASIS Issue Tracker] Commented:(ENERGYINTEROP-201) Line 706: OptOut equivalent in IRC model includes:economic, emergency, must run, not participating, outage run status,override status, participating.


Between Bruce's and Edgardo's last comments, now I understand this.

Thanks

tc


"It is the theory that decides what can be observed."   - Albert Einstein

Toby Considine
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University of North Carolina
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-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Bartell [mailto:bbartell@xtensible.net] 
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 4:37 PM
To: OASIS Issues Tracker; energyinterop@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [energyinterop] [OASIS Issue Tracker] Commented: (ENERGYINTEROP-201) Line 706: OptOut equivalent in IRC model includes: economic, emergency, must run, not participating, outage run status, override status, participating.

Just as long as the message supports more than just Opt Out. There is nothing in the spec to indicate that it can be more than just Opt out.

Bruce Bartell

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-----Original Message-----
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To: energyinterop@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: [energyinterop] [OASIS Issue Tracker] Commented:
(ENERGYINTEROP-201) Line 706: OptOut equivalent in IRC model includes:
economic, emergency, must run, not participating, outage run status, override status, participating.


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Toby Considine commented on ENERGYINTEROP-201:
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Not clear where the disagreement is, Rish.

Standards cannot provide consumer choice, any more than TCP provides
consumer choice if there is only one provider in town.  Standardscan
*support* consumer choice, especially when built into an application, or
when they enable market rule-makers (PUC, etc.) to open up markets
without undue re-casting and re-building.

Agreement maps to the Market Context. 

For wholesale, that market context is likely to be each ISO or RTC. They
have market rules, and all EI can do is enable them; A communication
specification will not define the market rules.

For most retail, the market context is the program, which today is
usually some sort of Tariff. Whether they can opt out or not is based on
the terms of that tariff. We cannot enforce choice, there, with this
specification. We can only enable it. FERC, even, cannot enforce choice
there, they can only urge the PUC's to.

If the question is, should we use the same list as in Wholesale, I think
that list is up to the VTN and the VTN/VEN agreement. Bruce's lis is a
fine one. If the Oregon PUC mandates that the local utilities add "Bad
Hair Day" and "Raging against the Machine" as options, then EI should
support that (meaning no fixed list).

Perhaps I am being dense, but I am not sure what I am missing here.

> Line 706: OptOut equivalent in IRC model includes: economic,
emergency, must run, not participating, outage run status, override
status, participating.
>
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>
>                 Key: ENERGYINTEROP-201
>                 URL:
http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/ENERGYINTEROP-201
>             Project: OASIS Energy Interoperation TC
>          Issue Type: Improvement
>          Components: spec
>    Affects Versions: wd15
>         Environment: Bruce Bartell wd15 line 706
>            Reporter: Bruce Bartell
>            Assignee: William Cox
>             Fix For: wd17
>
>
> Group should respond on actual requirement. Does Retail DR really have
opt-in programs? Are the remaining items applicable? 
> Recommend expanding Option to be equivalent to commit or dispatch
status and revising the service names accordingly.

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