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Subject: RE: OASIS Forest Industries TC
Steve Atkins
Head of Finance Systems Development
Direct
Line 0131 314 6318
Mobile 07721 558127
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Atkins, Steve [mailto:steve.atkins@forestry.gsi.gov.uk]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 25. Jänner 2007 15:24
An: Pikl Kurt
Cc: Paterson John; forest@lists.oasis-open.org; Vidmar Klaus
Betreff: RE: OASIS Forest Industries TCKurt,Thanks for your email. We are very enthusiastic too and hope that we can expand the coverage of eFIDS still further.On your specific questions I confirm that eFIDS is 'freeware' and you can pass on to SAP without any licensing considerations. There would be no problem publishing the HTML version on your site. It will be published on the OASIS site soon in any case. Perhaps you can make the link on your site to the OASIS version when this is available. The further development of eFIDS will be done through the OASIS TC and we would welcome your formal participation and encourage others to do the same.Thank you for the opportunity to register with CoSeMat and I have formally registered on the system including the details requested.On the question of eFIDS integration we have not felt it necessary for them to be integrated into any particular products. So far all of those using eFIDS have been able to develop bespoke solutions using their existing systems which can be re-used as usage increases. This demonstrates the flexibility of the standards although we would obviously be pleased if they were fully integrated into a standard package.I believe Bill Allison of BSW has provided an example of the type of output required from the system and I will be happy to discuss this further with yourselves and John Paterson on Egger UK.RegardsSteveSteve Atkins
Head of Finance Systems Development
Direct Line 0131 314 6318
Mobile 07721 558127
From: Pikl Kurt [mailto:Kurt.Pikl@egger.com]
Sent: 25 January 2007 03:23
To: Atkins, Steve
Cc: Paterson John; forest@lists.oasis-open.org; Vidmar Klaus
Subject: AW: OASIS Forest Industries TCHello Steve! your development seems to be very professional! Klaus Vidmar is "enthusiastic"! The idea would be now, to pass this defination on to SAP (I have very good contacts to Walldorf) and persuade them to support your eFIDS within the SAP-standard (customer development). This would mean, that we get this rolled out to many and very big partners (SAP-Mill's - all the papermills etc). I would define eFIDS as the "industry standard" for CoSeMat and one of the standards for the forestry-industrie (among ELDAT/Germany, FHPDAT/Austria)before I do so, my question - is eFIDS "freeware" - can I pass this onto SAP? or is there any licencing necessary?I would store your description (your very fine browser-version) on www.cosemat.com under "standards" - so anybody can implement it... is this ok?would you participate as http://www.cosemat.com/eng/mlg-eng-associatons-cooperations.htm to show, that you are supporting the standardization? It is free of charge and free of any bondage/debt's and can withdrawn at any time. If so, please send me the logo, the adress and a marketing-text to describe your organization and why you are involved/committed to standardization, adress, eMail (for contact), hompage etc.do you know, which software-products support eFIDS already? I would compare (with the help of John Paterson) our (Egger)suppliers to find a testpartner.Thank you and regardsKurt Pikl-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Atkins, Steve [mailto:steve.atkins@forestry.gsi.gov.uk]
Gesendet: Montag, 22. Jänner 2007 18:36
An: Pikl Kurt; Atkins, Steve
Cc: Paterson John; forest@lists.oasis-open.org
Betreff: RE: OASIS Forest Industries TCKurt,OASIS is the global open systems standards organisation. See link belowhttp://www.oasis-open.org/who/ - this explains what OASIS does.
There is a Forest Industries Technical Committee within OASIS. See link below.
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/forest/charter.php - this explains the purpose of the Forest Industries TC.
eFIDS are data standards to be used within the forest industry for electronic transfer of data.
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/documents.php?wg_abbrev=forest if you download the document eFIDS FAQ2.doc this provides Frequently Asked Questions on eFIDS. (note this will be uploaded to the FAQ link on the site shortly).
We developed eFIDS through an organisation in the UK called the eBusiness Forum (EBF).
http://www.forestryscotland.com/ebusiness_forum/tp1.asp?parent_id=2
The above link is to the EBF website. This gives background information on what we have been doing to promote e-business in UK Forestry. If you look under the What We Do link you will see reference to Data Standards and in particular to e-trading standards
http://www.forestryscotland.com/ebusiness_forum/tp1.asp?parent_id=3&select_id=13&expand=12
The above link explains the eFIDS data standards further.
regards
Steve
Steve Atkins
Head of Finance Systems Development
Direct Line 0131 314 6318
Mobile 07721 558127
From: Pikl Kurt [mailto:Kurt.Pikl@egger.com]
Sent: 22 January 2007 17:17
To: Atkins, Steve
Cc: Paterson John; forest@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: AW: OASIS Forest Industries TCthank you for you feedback. one more "P.S." the latin names are from EC-Standards and have been very usefull, if there was any discussion between the participants. But of cource, there might be mistakes in the descriptions ofn EN 13556. At the moment we use the wood-species with the appriviations "ELDAT" only. FHPDAT will add there abbriviations a.s.a.p. If you have eFIDS-abbriviations per wood-species - it would be a first step to add them in a separate columne (in Excel). Since I work with numeric coding only, this is/would be a information back-to-you.please take in consideration, that Egger will be able to send data to forest-partners in "not to far future" - but since we have a central SAP-System with one masterfiles, the data will be the same for Germany, Austria (France, Russia, Rumania..) and GB. Therefore I would be very glad, to work very closely together with you.did I understand right, thateFIDS is the product-coding - very simular to CoSeMat andOASIS is the technical definition of the data-transfer-standards? (file description)thank you for the chance, to co-operate with you.-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Atkins, Steve [mailto:steve.atkins@forestry.gsi.gov.uk]
Gesendet: Montag, 22. Jänner 2007 17:59
An: Pikl Kurt
Cc: Paterson John; forest@lists.oasis-open.org
Betreff: OASIS Forest Industries TCKurt,Nice to hear from you.I agree that our work on the eFIDS Data Standards mainly concerns the data standards that are used between participants. Nevertheless it is timely that you write. We recently had a meeting of the OASIS Forest Industries Technical Committee (TC) and discussed the issue of CodeLists to be used in the standard. CodeLists are tables that can be used by all parties to define specific attributes of data. This includes items such as Species, Products, Geographic Locations, Organisations, etc. The first 2 parts of your work would appear to cover this subject.The TC decided that we needed to investigate the existence of CodeLists further and one one of the TC Members is taking this forward. I have copied this correspondence to all involved on the TC.With regards to your specific questions :-
- if you see a translation, which is not correct or does not fit "wood-language" please correct it directly in the Excel, mark it (colour) and send it to me - I will correct the database - We will have a look at the data and get back to you. For Species the Latin names are obviously the same however there are obviously differences in the English descriptions
- the most important - do you see a chance, that the principle fits for GB?
if so, I could meet you in GB to go into the details and explain the project more in details - Our purpose in developing the standards is to make them fit across GB and elsewhere. I suggest any work is done through the TC of OASIS as that has been created for this purpose- are you handling recycling-material as well? I have defined the material - but not translated (in the very end of "Holzarten") fitting German standards (and somehow related to EC-Standard 2003/0139 (COD)/KOM(2003) 379 (??) - We envisage the standards being applied to all forest and wood products and that would include recycling material. That is part of our investigation on the TC and we'll get back to you when we can.
We also see the standards and associated lists being owned by the TC to which any organisation or individual can join. We will however work with you to take this forward if we can.
Kind RegardsSteveSteve Atkins
Head of Finance Systems Development
Direct Line 0131 314 6318
Mobile 07721 558127
From: Pikl Kurt [mailto:Kurt.Pikl@egger.com]
Sent: 22 January 2007 14:07
To: steve.atkins@forestry.gsi.gov.uk
Cc: Paterson John
Subject: WG: NormenHello Steve!
thank you for your input. I would be glad, if you could help me more in details. I so far worked on the German standard ELDAT and the (very simular - but not the same) standard FHPDAT for Austria. I am finished with version 1.0 - so I would like to "look over the boarder" now. My project CoSeMat contains 3 part-projects
- standardizing the "product wood"
- standardizing the partner-information (using Dun&Bradstreet DUNS-Number)
- standardizing the interface for data transports (using a internet-portal nexmart - the name might be different)
maybe you could read the concept on http://www.commonsense.at/5_en_more.htm (download)
I believe, that OASIS is more the interface (EDIFACT etc) and is completely different from German/AUstria Standards. Of cource - I did expect this, therefore I would like to use a clearing-center, where on one side the industry sends data (preferred but not decided PAPINET) and on the other side the forestry-industrie can attach with there Interfaces - but only ONCE - organized by organization like you (or KWF in Germany or FHP in Austria).you can find the database-content (exported to excel) in the download-center on http://www.commonsense.at/CommMat_en.htm translated in english. I would realy appreciate if you could help me - I would need the input from a (native) speaker with wood-experience.
the wood-species are from EN 13556 with additional wood-species (mainly summaries like "needlewood" etc) - at the end of the Excel "Holzarten Version 1.0.xls".
the "characteristics" of wood are
- Class Klasse.xls
- Usage class Verwendungsklasse.xls
- Certificate Zertifikat.xls
- Quality/Grade Qualitaet.xls
- Settlement length Abrechnungslaenge.xls
- Bark condition Rindenzustand.xls
- Thickness class Staerkenklasse.xls
a sample of the output is under Artikel EAN.xls however the numbering is not EAN (anymore) it is a plain CoSeMat-Number
if you want to help me, I would like to ask you the following questions:
- if you see a translation, which is not correct or does not fit "wood-language" please correct it directly in the Excel, mark it (colour) and send it to me - I will correct the database
- the most important - do you see a chance, that the principle fits for GB?
if so, I could meet you in GB to go into the details and explain the project more in details- are you handling recycling-material as well? I have defined the material - but not translated (in the very end of "Holzarten") fitting German standards (and somehow related to EC-Standard 2003/0139 (COD)/KOM(2003) 379 (??)
the "busines-model" would be, that the portal (mapping) is "owned" by organisations like you (+KWF+FHP+??) - that seems to be the only way to have as less as possible co-ordination. But this would be a discussion, we should have in a personal meeting.
I would look forward to hear from you
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Kurt Pikl
CIO Chief Information Officer
Fritz Egger GmbH & Co.
Holzwerkstoffe
Weiberndorf 20
A-6380 St. Johann in Tirol
Tel: +43 (0) 50600-10250
Mobil: +43 (0) 664/1358456
Fax: +43 (0) 50600-90250
e-mail: mailto:kurt.pikl@egger.com
Internet: http://www.egger.com-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Cramer Bertram
Gesendet: Montag, 22. Jänner 2007 14:32
An: Pikl Kurt
Betreff: WG: NormenHallo Herr Pikl,
anbei einie Infos aus UK bez. Standards.
Gruß
B.C.-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Dotlinger Simon
Gesendet: Montag, 22. Januar 2007 12:40
An: Cramer Bertram
Betreff: RE: NormenHallo Bertram,
am besten ist wenn du dieses mail an Kurt weiterleitest. In den links sind alle Informationen enthalten und fuer Kurt waere auch eine Ansprechperson wenn er moechte.
Gruss
-----Original Message-----
From: Atkins, Steve [mailto:steve.atkins@forestry.gsi.gov.uk]
Sent: 22 January 2007 11:13
To: Paterson John
Subject: RE: Electronic Trading
John,
I refer to our discussion today when you informed me that the Head of IT in your parent company was seeking information about use of data standards in European countries where Egger has a presence.
Within the UK we have developed the eFIDS data standards for use throughout the complete supply chain of the forest industry. This covers from Grower to Processor through to End User. eFIDS are already in use across this supply chain within the UK and we have recently had them adopted by OASIS, the global open standards organisation, in order
to widen their use internationally. Within OASIS we have set up a
Forest Industries Technical Committee (TC) who have already met on a couple of occasions. Egger, or anyone else, are free to join OASIS and participate in the work of the TC.I have attached some links below that will hopefully assist you.
http://www.forestryscotland.com/ebusiness_forum/tp1.asp?parent_id=2
The above link is to the forestry eBusiness Forum (EBF). This gives background information on what we have been doing to promote e-business in UK Forestry. If you look under the What We Do link you will see reference to Data Standards and in particular to e-trading standards
http://www.forestryscotland.com/ebusiness_forum/tp1.asp?parent_id=3&sele
ct_id=13&expand=12This link specifically refers to eFIDS and provides links to the standards. However as we are in the process of moving them to OASIS there are some out of date references, e.g. to CITE who used to host the standards.
We are in the process of setting up the OASIS site and I include some useful links.
http://www.oasis-open.org/who/ - this explains what OASIS does.
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/forest/charter.php - this explains the purpose of the Forest Industries TC.
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/documents.php?wg_abbrev=forest if you download the document eFIDS FAQ2.doc this provides Frequently Asked Questions on eFIDS. (note this will be uploaded to the FAQ link on the site shortly).
I trust the above will prove to be useful. You can refer any other queries to myself or other members of the OASIS TC as required.
Regards
Steve
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-----Original Message-----
From: Cramer Bertram
Sent: 16 January 2007 08:23
To: Dotlinger Simon
Subject: NormenHallo Simon,
ich hoffe es geht dir gut. Ich wünsche dir für 2007 noch alles Gute.
Wir (hauptsächlich Kurt Pikl) arbeiten derzeit im deutschsprachigen Raum an einem elektronischen Datenaustausch zwischen Lieferanten (Waldbesitzer, Sägewerk) und Kunden (EGGER). Hier gab es schon viele Initiativen, die immer im Sande verlaufen sind auf Grund der Komplexität. Pikl hat sich nun der Sache angenommen und möchte gleich alle europäischen Länder mit einbeziehen. Er fragt mich nun, ob es in England bereits vorhandene Standards oder Normen für eine elektronische Datenübermittlung gibt. Hat sich vielleicht schon jemand in England darüber Gedanken gemacht? Könntest du das bitte mal kurz mit John besprechen und mir wieder bescheitgeben. Also Normen oder Standards, in denen Holzarten, Güte, Sorte, Qualitäten, Längen usw. standartisiert elektronisch zwischen Lieferanten und Kunden übergeben werden können. John müsste das wissen, wenn es derartige Standards in UK gibt. Vielen Dank.
Thorsten und ich hatten kürzlich vorbesprochen, dass wir in der KW. 6 nach Hexham kommen. Leider hat Thorsten einen Bandscheibenvorfall erlitten und musste kurzfristig operiert werden. Er fällt für die nächsten 4 Wochen aus.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Bertram Cramer
Leitung Einkauf Holz Gruppe
EGGER Holzwerkstoffe Brilon GmbH & Co. KG
Im Kissen 19
D-59929 Brilon
Tel: +49 (0) 2961/770-22360
Mobil: +49 (0) 170/8510826
Fax: +49 (0) 2961/770-62360
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Internet: http://www.egger.com
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