RE: [soa-rm] RE: [ebsoa] The real SOA challenge?

[<marchadr@wellsfargo.com>]

To add a bit to Wes' comments:

Companies may gloss over a standard since most of the time they are trying to find something to work internally. If a vendor has a product that works for a given task they will most likely buy that and think of standards as a second thought. Standards are only good for an integrator if it is implemented.

SAML is a great case to look at for Interoperability and use with various vendors.

I do agree standards are important but what standard is important.
Take a look at the amount of security standards for WS out there.

Can you argue whether to use which one for what reason and this is just Oasis?

- Oasis ASAP
- Oasis DSS
- Obix Security SC
- Oasis PKI
- Oasis AVDL
- Oasis WAS
- Oasis WS-SX
- Oasis WSS
- Oasis XACML

- WS Policy
- Etc...

How many White papers should one read?

This is to give a perspective from someone who tries and keep up with the different standards.

Thanks,

- Dan




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Subject: [soa-rm] RE: [ebsoa] The real SOA challenge?


Dave,

To extend your thoughts even further, a lot of large public and private sector concerns I talk to never look at the OASIS work at all.  They have no idea what goes on here.

The problem is some vendors have the wherewithal to push product and define interoperability as using their product everywhere!

Regards,

Wes

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Subject:	Re: [ebsoa] The real SOA challenge?

Jamie,

The BCM TC has been saying this for two years - and hopefully will have the
OASIS publically approved standard to back it up!

And then the XML2004 Interop we did last year showed exactly how to achieve
this using a wide selection of core OASIS-based components.

What bothers me is these pundits ability to completely ignore all the great
work OASIS is doing in the field.

It's like its almost beneath them to actually go and download the white
papers and specifications we have and actually take time to read them.

Seems like they only want to read glossy sales brochures and attend webinar
product puffs instead...

Thanks, DW

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Subject: [ebsoa] The real SOA challenge?


>      Interesting article from Infoweek on SOA deployment progress:
>      http://www.internetweek.com/173402859
>      I think their underlying point is excellent:  the key gating issue is
> not the XML tech, but rather, the process change, deployment and finding
> issues involved in assembling a meaningful set of ambient services that
> sufficiently compose into useful transactions.   that
>        Regards Jamie
>
> ~   James Bryce Clark
> ~   Director, Standards Development, OASIS
> ~   jamie.clark@oasis-open.org
>
>