RE: [ebsoa] Re: [fwsi] RE: [soa-rm] RE: [ebsoa] The real SOA challenge?

["Chiusano Joseph" <chiusano_joseph@bah.com>]

> The major holdouts (IBM and Microsoft) need to come 
> along, IMO.

Guess you haven't been paying attention to the recent announcements
regarding new OASIS TCs.

Joe

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Hardin [mailto:john@maphin.net]
> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 12:14 PM
> To: Jones, Steve G
> Cc: McGregor.Wesley@tbs-sct.gc.ca; david@drrw.info; 
> fwsi@lists.oasis-open.org; soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org; 
> ebsoa@lists.oasis-open.org; semantic-ex@lists.oasis-open.org; 
> jamie.clark@oasis-open.org; soa-blueprints@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: [ebsoa] Re: [fwsi] RE: [soa-rm] RE: [ebsoa] The real SOA 
> challenge?
> 
> The step that needs to happen, and in short order, is to get developer

> organizations, inside leading software companies, to enable thier 
> products with the OASIS standards. That is happening slowly, but some 
> of the more prominent names are Adobe, Sun, Oracle, Sybase, Cyclone 
> Commerce, and many others. The major holdouts (IBM and Microsoft) need

> to come along, IMO.
> 
> Unfortunately, OASIS doesn't have a marketing arm or business 
> development group that has enough power to affect the development 
> lifecycles for these large software companies.
> It's my impression that we are creating work that we hope, one day, 
> will be recognized and used widely....
> 
> Jones, Steve G wrote:
> > I think this is however the real opportunity for this group
> and others
> > within OASIS.  There isn't a real clarity (IMO) from any of the 
> > vendors around business oriented or abstract oriented SOA,
> its focused
> > around what their products do today.
> > 
> > The reason I was interested in bringing Capgemini into
> OASIS is that
> > this is great quality work being developed independently of
> pushing a product.
> > 
> > In terms of getting the word out, I'm assuming there is a press 
> > release already being prepared, and analysts being briefed,
> around the
> > release of the SOA-RM (whenever that happens).  As I've
> said before I
> > think SOA-RM has created a superb specification, and I've
> been using it with clients too.
> > 
> > 
> > There is more than enough weight on these groups to
> generate a market
> > stir around a definition of what SOA really is.
> > 
> > Steve
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: McGregor.Wesley@tbs-sct.gc.ca 
> >>[mailto:McGregor.Wesley@tbs-sct.gc.ca]
> >>Sent: 14 November 2005 16:34
> >>To: david@drrw.info; fwsi@lists.oasis-open.org; soa-rm@lists.oasis- 
> >>open.org.soa-blueprints@lists.oasis-open.org;
> >>ebsoa@lists.oasis-open.org; semantic-ex@lists.oasis-open.org; 
> >>jamie.clark@oasis-open.org
> >>Subject: [soa-rm] RE: [ebsoa] The real SOA challenge?
> >>
> > 
> > 
> >>Dave,
> >>
> > 
> > 
> >>To extend your thoughts even further, a lot of large public and 
> >>private sector concerns I talk to never look at the OASIS
> work at all.  
> >>They have no idea what goes on here.
> >>
> > 
> > 
> >>The problem is some vendors have the wherewithal to push
> product and
> >>define interoperability as using their product everywhere!
> >>
> > 
> > 
> >>Regards,
> >>
> > 
> > 
> >>Wes
> >>
> > 
> > 
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >>From: 	David Webber (XML) [mailto:david@drrw.info]
> >>Sent:	November 8, 2005 7:45 PM
> >>To:	fwsi@lists.oasis-open.org; soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org. soa-
> >>blueprints@lists.oasis-open.org;
> ebsoa@lists.oasis-open.org; semantic-
> >>ex@lists.oasis-open.org; James Bryce Clark
> >>Subject:	Re: [ebsoa] The real SOA challenge?
> >>
> > 
> > 
> >>Jamie,
> >>
> > 
> > 
> >>The BCM TC has been saying this for two years - and hopefully will 
> >>have the OASIS publically approved standard to back it up!
> >>
> > 
> > 
> >>And then the XML2004 Interop we did last year showed exactly how to 
> >>achieve this using a wide selection of core OASIS-based components.
> >>
> > 
> > 
> >>What bothers me is these pundits ability to completely
> ignore all the
> >>great work OASIS is doing in the field.
> >>
> > 
> > 
> >>It's like its almost beneath them to actually go and download the 
> >>white papers and specifications we have and actually take
> time to read them.
> >>
> > 
> > 
> >>Seems like they only want to read glossy sales brochures and attend 
> >>webinar product puffs instead...
> >>
> > 
> > 
> >>Thanks, DW
> >>
> > 
> > 
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "James Bryce Clark" <jamie.clark@oasis-open.org>
> >>To: <fwsi@lists.oasis-open.org>; <soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org.
> >>soa-blueprints@lists.oasis-open.org>; <ebsoa@lists.oasis-open.org>; 
> >><semantic-ex@lists.oasis-open.org>
> >>Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 1:00 PM
> >>Subject: [ebsoa] The real SOA challenge?
> >>
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >>>     Interesting article from Infoweek on SOA deployment progress:
> >>>     http://www.internetweek.com/173402859
> >>>     I think their underlying point is excellent:  the key gating 
> >>> issue
> >>
> >>is
> >>
> >>>not the XML tech, but rather, the process change, deployment and 
> >>>finding issues involved in assembling a meaningful set of
> ambient services that
> >>>sufficiently compose into useful transactions.   that
> >>>       Regards Jamie
> >>>
> >>>~   James Bryce Clark
> >>>~   Director, Standards Development, OASIS
> >>>~   jamie.clark@oasis-open.org
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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