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Subject: Re: [geolang-comment] ISSUE 3: The "language" published subject
* Lars Marius Garshol | | So, should we create such a published subject? * John Cowan | | Yes. So far we are three for (JC, SCP, LMG) and none against, so it's looking like there is consensus on this. * Lars Marius Garshol | | If we do, how do we define "language"? * John Cowan | | The one thing we must not do is define it as "the class of things | mentioned in ISO 639", however superficially attractive that is. | Lots of the things in ISO 639 are not even languages, but groups of | languages, Very good point. That effectively kills the naïve extensional approach, which makes things a bit harder. | and even some of the things that *appear* to be single languages | aren't. The SIL people have done an extensive study on the | deficiencies of the ISO codes. Ouch! Do you have a reference on the problems with codes that appear to represent single languages but don't? | Defining "language" is like defining "alive"; a roomful of | biologists once spent hours on the latter pursuit, until Sir Peter | Medaware silenced them by saying "We all know the difference between | a live horse and a dead one, so I suggest we cease to beat the | latter." True. I think any approach that requires us to come up with a definitive and uncontroversial definition of the concept of "language" is unlikely to work. I think we have the following alternatives: (1) attempt to create a workable definition of "language", (2) define "language" extensionally by enumerating all members of the class, (3) make a simple definition that is uncontroversial because of its vagueness, like "the notion of 'language'; the class of all 'languages'", and (4) use somebody else's definition. I see problems with all of these, but I can't think of any other alternatives. Can you think of any more alternatives? Which alternative do you prefer? -- Lars Marius Garshol, Ontopian <URL: http://www.ontopia.net > ISO SC34/WG3, OASIS GeoLang TC <URL: http://www.garshol.priv.no >
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