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Subject: Re: [humanmarkup] Re: [humanmarkup-comment] HMU.newmedia: CREATED
Dear Ranjeeth and everyone, That is a great idea. I hope with such a move we can expand our outreach to writers and other non-computer scientist researchers that would be interested in contributing to HM development. HumanML_Write, and a host of other possible HM applications, will surely appeal to many creative groups of researchers. I will develop an outline for incorporating the new goals, interests, and research areas within the subcommittee. I am not sure as to what name would encompass both roles well, so I will mull on one. Any ideas? Cordially, Joe Norris jwnorris@mindspring.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ranjeeth Kumar Thunga" <rkthunga@humanmarkup.org> To: "OASIS TC MAIN" <humanmarkup@lists.oasis-open.org> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 2:05 PM Subject: [humanmarkup] Re: [humanmarkup-comment] HMU.newmedia: CREATED > Joe, > > I wanted to suggest expand the scope of your subcommitte from "HumanML_Write > Subcommittee" to be "Writing Subcommittee" (or something appropritely > named). > > This would still include HumanML_Write, but would have a broader set of > goals including many of the topics you mentioned in your last post on the > comments board. Normally, I wouldn't recommend expanding the scope of a > project when the milestones, as they stand, have not yet developed. > However, I suggest this because it allows us to tap into so much more > potential, and allows your expertise to be most effectively conveyed.. > > Ranjeeth Kumar Thunga > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rob Nixon" <rnixon@qdyn.com> > To: "Ranjeeth Kumar Thunga" <rkthunga@humanmarkup.org> > Cc: "Joseph Norris" <jwnorris@humanmarkup.org>; "OASIS Comment" > <humanmarkup-comment@lists.oasis-open.org> > Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 12:02 PM > Subject: Re: [humanmarkup-comment] HMU.newmedia: CREATED > > > > Ranjeeth, Joe, > > > > Regarding emotions, we should closely examine the work of people like Nico > H. > > Frijda. > > > > He has written a very interesting book called "The Emotions": Studies in > Emotion > > & Social Interaction. > > > > I've read it a number of times and believe that it would form a good > reference > > for our work on emotions in regards to HumanML. There are many other > sources as > > well. Are either of you familiar with Frijda's work? > > > > Rob > > > > Ranjeeth Kumar Thunga wrote: > > > > > Thanks Joe for your interest. Certainly there are a variety of > applications > > > in the creative domain for HumanML. > > > > > > It would be very much appreciated if you could do the following Joe: > > > 1) Write a short story, filled with both *tacit* and *explicit* human > > > emotion and expression -- 2 pages or so is fine. > > > 2) Describe an *authoritative* reference *enumerating* the human kinesic > > > expressions and emotions which you want to use. If not, then we can > simply > > > use the enumerations described in the HM.frameworks document for now. > > > > > > After that, we can then develop the HumanML - XML Schema modules for > > > emotions and kinesics to help build this particular example. > > > > > > I know you're kinda busy with a lot of things...if don't get to it, I'll > try > > > to drum up a short story from somewhere in the next couple of days. > > > However, your writing background would be very useful to have direct > input > > > from. > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > > Ranjeeth Kumar Thunga > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Joseph Norris" <jwnorris@humanmarkup.org> > > > To: "Ranjeeth Kumar Thunga" <rkthunga@humanmarkup.org>; "OASIS Comment" > > > <humanmarkup-comment@lists.oasis-open.org> > > > Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 7:47 AM > > > Subject: Re: [humanmarkup-comment] HMU.newmedia: CREATED > > > > > > > Dear Ranjeeth, > > > > > > > > Thank you for mentioning HM applications for writers. As discussed in > > > Phase > > > > 0, new types of writing technologies are well suited towards HM > > > > enhancements. The possibilities are legion - from electronic novels > > > (called > > > > "e-pics" by literary commentators) to the simple tagging of scripts > and > > > > screenplays. > > > > > > > > On a very basic level, for example, a playwright could encode his or > her > > > > stage directions, settings, and instructions to actors. Scripts for > > > > electronic games or Ebooks could be tagged with HM information that > can be > > > > feed into a 3D interactive world where avatar actors can respond in > ways > > > > encoded by the author. Electronic storytelling can aid in education > and > > > > entertainment. > > > > > > > > I do really enjoy talking about the practical real-world applications > of > > > > HumanMarkup. > > > > > > > > Writing and other creative endeavors will never be the same after > > > > HumanMarkup changes the computer from a glorified typewriter and the > > > > internet from a mere display-case into to something revolutionary, > > > > interactive, and real. > > > > > > > > Cordially, > > > > > > > > Joe Norris > > > > jwnorris@humanmarkup.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Ranjeeth Kumar Thunga" <rkthunga@humanmarkup.org> > > > > To: "OASIS Comment" <humanmarkup-comment@lists.oasis-open.org> > > > > Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 1:14 AM > > > > Subject: [humanmarkup-comment] HMU.newmedia: CREATED > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is a simple example I bring up to start engaging the HumanML - > XML > > > > > Schema. > > > > > > > > > > It isn't the most pragmatic example in light of recent events, but I > > > > wanted > > > > > to start because it is the most straightforward example I have > > > envisioned > > > > > HumanML to be applied for. It's probably the best example to get > > > juices > > > > > flowing. My colleage Mei created a similar example, using ad-hoc > > > HumanML > > > > > tags, a few months ago. However, we could expand this to create a > full > > > > > fledged example: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/humanmarkup/documents/HMU.newmedia.txt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HMU.newmedia > > > > > last updated: 4 November 2001 > > > > > (example describing how we could use HumanML to convey emotions in > New > > > > Media > > > > > writing) > > > > > -------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PROBLEM: > > > > > ----- > > > > > I am a writer. I write stories for a living. I love my profession, > and > > > I > > > > > am glad I am able to convey my message and perspectives through the > > > > > experiences of the characters in my story. Unfortunately, however, > I > > > feel > > > > > very limited in my ability to express myself, due to the limitations > of > > > > > black and white text. > > > > > > > > > > The World Wide Web has now allowed for much greater possibilites of > > > > > expression, mixing sound, graphics, colors, and music in so many > ways. > > > > Now, > > > > > I can use various colors, fonts, and styles to express my emotions > and > > > > > expressions much more strikingly and effectively. However, *how* > should > > > > I, > > > > > or could I, do this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PROPOSED SOLUTION: > > > > > ----- > > > > > Use Human Markup Language to embed emotions and expressions (i.e. > > > > kinesics) > > > > > within the text of the message. Then, create a legend of sorts at > the > > > > > bottom of the screen, which conveyes what this means. Based on > style > > > > > guidelines, new media text could represent far greater pallete of > > > > > presentation possibilities of textual information. > > > > > > > > > > This would call for the use of "HumanML - XML Schema" and > "HumanML - > > > > Style > > > > > Guidelines" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel free to take it from here... > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------- > > > > > Ranjeeth Kumar Thunga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription > > > > > manager: <http://lists.oasis-open.org/ob/adm.pl> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription > > > > manager: <http://lists.oasis-open.org/ob/adm.pl> > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription > > > manager: <http://lists.oasis-open.org/ob/adm.pl> > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription > > manager: <http://lists.oasis-open.org/ob/adm.pl> > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription > manager: <http://lists.oasis-open.org/ob/adm.pl> >
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