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Subject: Re: [humanmarkup] TC Meeting Reminder and Notes

(NOTE: this last post was intended for the HumanMarkup TC list, not the
HumanMarkup.orgYahooGroups site...)

We are referring to Yahoo IM's Conference, which shares all the
functionality of IRC.  I think that Mac clients have a problem with it, so I
am assuming Unix clients might as well.  If this turns out to be the case,
we could use the YahooGroups Chat room from the old humanmarkup board.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/humanmarkup That has a problem, and that is we
can't save the transcript, but we can make a summary from it quite easily.
Again, this is only a backup if Yahoo IM Conference doesn't work.

(Please note distinction between Yahoo IM, Yahoo IM Conference, and
YahooGroups Chat)

Participation level will be fluid, especially due to financial related
issues--that's the real world. This is why Rex is helping us gear HM for
corporate interests, without sacrificing our ideals, and something OASIS
suggested to us as well as well.  OASIS, and W3C for that matter, cater
95-99% to corporate interests.  Until that's established, it will be
somewhat difficult to commit the time or energy needed to maintain,
prospect, and cultivate the project, regardless of anyone's volition and

Our effort is in the spotlight, but our actual work isn't...yet.  Thus, what
we should do is simply, whenever and wherever we can, contribute and meet
our own responsibilities to the best of our abilities.

Ranjeeth Kumar Thunga

----- Original Message -----
From: "Emmanuil M. Batsis" <mbatsis@humanmarkup.org>
To: <humanmarkup@lists.oasis-open.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 6:00 AM
Subject: Re: [humanmarkup] TC Meeting Reminder and Notes

> Rex Brooks wrote:
> > This is also a heads up for Henrik and Manos, if you could post your
> > yahoo user names so that we can invite you into a yahoo IM conference
> > chat that can be logged simultaneously with the teleconference, we would
> > greatly appreciate it. That way we can include your input on the agenda
> > I will post to this list, along with another personal post to many of
> > you guys tomorrow in an effort to get a little boost in participation.
> Participating via yahoo IM to a teleconference is not the ideal thing to
> do. We will have the ability to just give some input, but not to
> actually participate in the discussion. It's not the first time I
> protest against this frustrating policy... it's the reason I became a
> prospective member and probably the reason I will be forced to leave the
> TC eventually.
> I still don't get why we cannot have a meeting over IRC, where we can
> combine the value of written speech and real time communication (and log
>   everything too).
> I'm afraid that this meeting will not be as productive as our current
> requirements demand; although some parts of HumanML are proceeding, we
> are going through another tough period with low participation and list
> traffic, signs that interest is getting low and work (Other than yours
> Rex) is not getting done. I was wondering if this subject is in the
> agenda as well.
> Kindest regards,
> Manos
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