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Subject: Re: [humanmarkup] Base Schema - measurement- part 2

I think we need to give some thought to the best way to handle 
subjective measurements, since I suspect that we will have to 
consider these to be somewhat individual interpretations perhaps 
modified by cultural context.

We will have both the kinesic vocabularies (and how they can be 
modified by somewhat arbitrarily scaled numeric values if included in 
the Primary Base Schema) and the emotion intensities to consider 
along with these subjective, qualitative estimations of some kind of 
value-equivalence for some elements. Perhaps we can put this on the 
agenda for tomorrow's meeting. If I hear no objections, I will 
include it for discussion.


At 12:14 PM -0500 9/17/02, James Landrum wrote:
>Point here is that "measurement" is not the same as "measurement_unit"
>Measurement is the action of measuring or the result of applying a 
>unit of measure to an object or subject, based on a measurement 
>standard (or measurement_unit), expressed most often numerically, 
>i.e., quantitatively, and more often these are scientifically 
>"objective" data.  Measurement can can also be expressed 
>qualitatively, e.g., high, medium, low, short, long, happy, sad, 
>depressed, manic, etc., and the qualitative measurement is often 
>more subjective, rather than objective.
>Rex Brooks wrote:
>>Ah, at last, an element that I believe will be darn difficult to question.
>>But I'm going to try. Actually I am just going to add a bit that I 
>>think is necessary.
>>This is a Complex Type element without the attribute abstract. It 
>>is described and defined as being used to creat distance or length 
>>values. It does not reference other elements. It is not used by 
>>other elements.
>>I would add all the standard weights and measures. I will check on 
>>the best references for that.
>>My only question is whether there are distinctly human values for 
>>which we need to have physical measurements? I don't think so.
>>However, do we need separate measurements for olfactory and taste 
>>data? I suspect that we need to ask if those should be in the 
>>primary or in the Human Physical Characteristics Description Markup 
>>Language as adjunct values for sensory phenomena? I suppose we 
>>might also want to clarify intensity values which we will be using 
>>for haptics, emotion, kinesics, but I don't think they apply to 
>>this element. I'm mostly thinking out loud so to speak here since 
>>measurements apply to so many phenomena, many of which are somewhat 
>>or wholly subjective and I certainly do not think we should attempt 
>>to create measurements for such on our own.
>From the Desk of James E. Landrum III
>Database Manager
>Archaeology Technologies Laboratory (ATL; http://atl.ndsu.edu)
>Digital Archive Network for Anthropology (DANA; http://atl.ndsu.edu/archive)
>North Dakota State University, Fargo, North Dakota 58105
>Ph: 701-231-7115 (my desk) and ATL 701-231-6434
>FAX: 701-231-1047
>email: james.landrum@ndsu.nodak.edu

Rex Brooks
Starbourne Communications Design
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