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Subject: [humanmarkup] Re: PBS-Doc-chronemic

From: Rex Brooks <rexb@starbourne.com>
To: cognite@zianet.com, humanmarkup@lists.oasis-open.org
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 04:45:27 -0700

Title: Re: PBS-Doc-chronemic

Hi Folks,

I didn't copy the list with this last night. I was too tired. As you can see by the timestamp on this message, I worked in my short sleep last night which very much resembled a rock but nevertheless brought its portion of perspective to all this. The University of Louisville College of Business and Public Administration has some material on the stuff (ics) in relation to non-verbal communication . This is the largest source material used in our schema to date.

The material I cited yesterday is a slide show which is part of a web-based education program evidently conducted by Dr. Sebastian Foti, Bolseiro Fulbright Universidade do Porto, in Portugal. If you go to the bottom of the page and click on the [Back] link you can view the entire presentation, which is quite good.

Hmmn. Considering the Brazilian connection to semiotics with Gudwin, and maybe we should be working in Portuguese. I'm kidding. I just happen to have had a large extended familiy in childhood that included a Portuguese/NewMexican/Catholic element that made regular barrio spanglish culture in socal seem like a picnic in comparison (the difference in Portuguese and Spanish/Mexican Bullfighting was an ongoing dinner table conflict) and considering that it was situated on the edge of Watts and Compton in greater Los Angeles in the 1950s and you get a peculiar mix to say the least.

Here's the material on Ong:

http://www.sil.org/lingualinks/literacy/ReferenceMaterials/BibliographyLiteracy/Ong1982.htm

What I am coming to is a unifying framework for chronemics as 1. a factor in communications (time sense) and 2. a factor in cultural characteristics. I think that for the sake of getting the Primary into reviewable condition I will leave it at that and allow the secondary usages and enumerations to define it further for specific application purposes, and that will, as a matter of fact, be the same for the other stuff (ics) rather than attempting to define them as factors. So they will be factors only with no further description or definition. I'm not ready to add the remaining stuff(ics) from these studies in non-verbal communications--coloristics, vocalistics, etc. because there are not enough supporting studies and there are other factors which fit those characteristics that I think will be better covered under a model of perception which is likely to emerge in the Secondary Base Schema, and which we can support, if needed, by adding elements to the Primary Base.

I am very committed to finishing up this draft without returning to discussions until we get into the review period. I'm sure we have enough room to make changes in that context.

Ciao,

Rex

Did you look through the entire slide show? I will retrace my search tomorrow sometime. I saw a couple of other references to this framework of non-verbal communication in relation to kinesics, proxemics and chronemics in addition to a bunch of other stuff "ics" all with the same formula of x is the study of the function of x as a variable affecting communication.

Mañana,

Rex

At 8:52 PM -0600 10/22/02, cognite@zianet.com wrote:

It looks acceptable, but in spite of the dates being during periods when I
was studying these things, the name he cites (only Ong 1967 and 1982) had
not come up then, so I really can't say how well founded this is on
measurement or consistent and thorough its theory,
or standard in its terminology.. The page you cite seems to have no links
to anywhere or context.

Google shows a Singaporean Casey Ong who worked on some mobile/wireless and
VoIP (Voice over Internet Phone) communications software with Hendrik Decker
who did a dissertation in 1982, and some other people in Germany:

Hendrik Decker, Michael Krautgärtner, Casey Ong, Michael Wallbaum: Quality
of Service Management in an
Integrated Mobile Voice/Data-Enabled Service Architecture.
Proceedings of the 4th ACTS Mobile Communications

Summit, Sorrento, Italy, June 1999.

This conference paper is basically industry apps only.

SC

At 03:31 PM 22-10-2002 -0700, you wrote:

>http://ead.reit.up.pt:8900/orch/ongmodes.htm
>
>Anybody looked at this fellow's work. It seems to be a unifying
>concept to what I called our "stuff-ics."
>
>Somehow this isn't going to be as quick and simple as I thought. Our
>discussion of chronemics was somewhat cut short by the emergence of
>the "semioitics" experiment which has since blossomed into the
>semiotics processor, which also happens to fulfill most of our
>discussions of grammar or process, which is, btw, covered in the
>research I've been encouraged to do for completing this "little" task.
>
>Regardless, I do happen like the notion of "Chronemics is the study
>of how time functions as a variable affecting communication." The
>fact that he uses the same phrase for kinesics, proxemics, etc
>doesn't diminish the appropriateness of the concept, especially as it
>applies across the board.
>
>I just hit my twelfth hour for today, and I am fading fast, so I will
>probably have time to absord any comments anyone cares to make.
>
>Ciao,
>Rex
>Rex Brooks
>Starbourne Communications Design
>1361-A Addison, Berkeley, CA 94702 *510-849-2309
>http://www.starbourne.com * rexb@starbourne.com
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>seems to be a unifying concept to what I called our
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><div><font color="#000000">Somehow this isn't going to be as quick and
>simple as I thought. Our discussion of chronemics was somewhat cut
>short by the emergence of the "semioitics" experiment which
>has since blossomed into the semiotics processor, which also happens
>to fulfill most of our discussions of grammar or process, which is,
>btw, covered in the research I've been encouraged to do for completing
>this "little" task.</font></div>
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><div><font color="#000000">Regardless, I do happen like the notion of
>"Chronemics is the study of how time functions as a variable
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>for kinesics, proxemics, etc doesn't diminish the appropriateness of
>the concept, especially as it applies across the board.</font></div>

><div><font color="#000000"><br></font></div>
><div><font color="#000000">I just hit my twelfth hour for today, and I
>am fading fast, so I will probably have time to absord any comments
>anyone cares to make.</font></div>
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><div><font color="#000000">Ciao,</font></div>
><div><font color="#000000">Rex</font></div>
><div>Rex Brooks<br>
>Starbourne Communications Design<br>
>1361-A Addison, Berkeley, CA 94702 *510-849-2309<br>
>http://www.starbourne.com * rexb@starbourne.com<br>
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Rex Brooks
Starbourne Communications Design
1361-A Addison, Berkeley, CA 94702 *510-849-2309
http://www.starbourne.com * rexb@starbourne.com