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Subject: [humanmarkup] PBS-Doc-emotion

Title: PBS-Doc-emotion
We didn't have much to say about emotion, probably because it is fairly well-understood, although it will have a much larger effect when the public is checking our work. No change was needed or made.

From: Rex Brooks [mailto:rexb@starbourne.com]
      Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 10:58 AM
      To: humanmarkup-comment@lists.oasis-open.org;
      Subject: [humanmarkup-comment] Base Schema-emotion

      Hi Everyone,

      I'm moving on to another element not because I think we are done with
      culture, but because I don't have much else to say about it until I
      see what Sylvia and Len come up with, and because I don't expect to
      resolve it for the first draft until we revisit it in the run through
      of the first draft specification. I do, however, look forward with
      great anticipation to see what our resident semiotes think about it.
      Also it is a big topic and this one is not--at least not in itself.


      This is a ComplexType with the attribute of abstract. It does not
      reference other elements. It belongs to the attribute group
      humldentifierAtts. It takes an attribute value of intensity.

      It's description is: A basic set of primitive human emotions.

      It is about as basic and atomistic an element as we have, and while
      we may have noodling to do with other elements, there is not much to
      say about this one. This does however beg the question of a Secondary
      Base Schema since a number of secondary schemata will need the
      emotion primitives, so I think we pretty much find ourselves
      requiring the Secondary Base Schema.

      There is a point here which I have not brought up yet, but that I
      think we need to deal with now. Our Base Schema have not been defined
      as having attributes separate from the datatypes enumerated in the
      global attribute definitions and the reason I have not said boo about
      it is that I happen to agree wholeheartedly with a design principle
      that says one should not use attributes if we can accomplish what is
      needed with elements alone. However, with emotion here, and with
      several other elements we will be getting to soon, we will need, I
      think, the Secondary Base Schema to handle such things as the
      enumeration of attributes which James began to fill in for culture
      yesterday. Keeping attributes as secondary base elements allows us to
      disassociate such primitives as anger and resentment as types of
      emotion per se. That way they can take their own intensities rather
      than modifying an overall emotional state and allow for better
      computational efficiency.

      I happen to be thinking in terms of how to get discrete numerical
      values for various primitives which an application author can then
      choose to implement in any way rather than specifying, for instance
      that resentment is always a modifier of anger.

      I decided to use a simple element like emotion to point this out
      because I don't think we have much to quibble about with its



Subject: RE: [humanmarkup-comment] Base Schema-emotion

             From: "Bullard, Claude L (Len)" <clbullar@ingr.com>
             To: 'Rex Brooks' <rexb@starbourne.com>, humanmarkup-comment@lists.oasis-open.org
             Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:03:35 -0500

      I've not much time so one quick comment.  Emotion is likely
      to become of primary importance in the sign experiment given
      that in Peircian semiotics, firstness is taken to mean the
      "feeling" of the event.   Other literature places primary
      importance there too.   Emotions seem to be the most direct
      response the human has to external events.  They also might
      be said to have the effect of reducing a lot of computation
      with respect to classification and choosing responses.  This
      will greatly affect some designs for semiotic processors as
      models of human reactions.  Also note, it has been observed
      that what humans remember best is not facts, or events, but
      how they "felt" about them at the time.

      Clearly while emotion is a simple enough element, how it
      gets applied won't be.


Rex Brooks
Starbourne Communications Design
1361-A Addison, Berkeley, CA 94702 *510-849-2309
http://www.starbourne.com * rexb@starbourne.com

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