[humanmarkup] PBS-Doc-semiote

We have deferred referent to the Secondary and Semiosis as defined by Sylvia Candelaria deRam (cognite@zianet.com) below has also been added as part of the newly created Semiosis Section of the PBS.

Subject: [humanmarkup-comment] Re: Signs, Referents and Semiote

             From: Rex Brooks <rexb@starbourne.com>
             To: "Bullard, Claude L (Len)" <clbullar@ingr.com>,'Rex Brooks' <rexb@starbourne.com>,
             humanmarkup-comment@lists.oasis-open.org
             Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 14:24:46 -0700

      Title: Re: Signs, Referents and Semiote
      Referrant/Referent (spelling?) came up in the September telecon and we added it to list of new elements.

      If we think it is best to use it as an enumeration, derivation, extension or refinement of sign, along with signifier and signified, then it should be in the Secondary Base Schema, and I leave it to the list to inform me of how that should be handled. If these need to be treated similarly to or differently than each other, I am equally sanguine with it.

      How's that for punting?

      Ciao,
      Rex

      At 3:31 PM -0500 10/17/02, Bullard, Claude L (Len) wrote:

                  Is referent in the primary schema? I remember it being part of the sign experiment, thus, not something that has to be defined for the PSB. Am I wrong?

                 A referent in the sign experiment DTD element type I posted is a real world instance of the thing signified.   If the sign signifies a curve in a road, a real curve on a real road can be a referent.

                 Sign - mostly just a wrapper element for descriptive purposes in the DTD, an abstraction otherwise or the container.   A sign may be symbolic, iconic or indexical, sometimes combinations of these.

                 Signifier - the sign, perhaps a glyph for example, the wavy glyph on the road sign for Curves Ahead Signified - the concept of the sign, eg, curveness

                Referent - a real instance of a sign, eg, a curve on a real road.

                Semiote: a processor capable of emitting and/or producing signs.   It may be living or artificial for purposes of this specification.

                 len

Title: RE: Signs, Referents and Semiote
      Cool.

      Thanks,
      Rex

At 4:27 PM -0500 10/17/02, Bullard, Claude L (Len) wrote:

      I agree that it should be in a secondary.

Here is a first take on:

      Base Schema - semiote

      This is an abstract complexType element which will take the attribute
      humlComAtts since it applies to exclusively communication or aspects
      of communication. It does not use other elements. It may be used by
      other elements.

      It is described/defined as a processor capable of emitting and/or
      producing signs. It may be living or artificial for purposes of this
      specification.

      This element, along with sign, signal and symbol, the the key
      concepts involved in the semiotic processor experiment which we have
      initiated and which has significant promise as a processing model for
      the communication process. In short, it allows for a more inherently
      analytical model of the process. It is thought that in this way,
      clarity and accuracy in communication can be notably enhanced. So it
      is particularly important for us to be thorough and careful in our
      definition and use of this element. So we invite all comments to be
      made promptly.

      There will be further opportunity to comment on this concept in the
      public comment period, but comments now will be included in the
      initial documentation of our discussion on this element.

      Ciao,
      Rex
      --

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Subject: Re: [humanmarkup-comment] Base Schema - semiote

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Here is a second take on the second paragraph for

Base Schema - semiote

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P1

P2
A semiote is a cognitive agent who participates in meaningful signal
exchange among cognitive agents (i.e., in Semiosis, q.v.).

A processor capable of producing, emitting, and/or interpreting and
responding to signals as meaningful, a Semiote may be living or artificial
for purposes of this specification.

P3 This element, along with signal (and sign and symbol), is a key concept ...

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(Is that true that we will have an entry for Semiosis too? Here's a
consistent nucleus for that:

SEMIOSIS (meaningful signal exchange among cognitive agents)

SIGNAL (energy sent by a cognitive agent to tell another something)

--- Len, will that do?

I

SC

At 05:52 AM 18-10-2002 -0700, Rex wrote:
>Here is a first take on:
>
>Base Schema - semiote
>
>This is an abstract complexType element which will take the attribute
>humlComAtts since it applies to exclusively communication or aspects
>of communication. It does not use other elements. It may be used by
>other elements.
>
>It is described/defined as a processor capable of emitting and/or
>producing signs. It may be living or artificial for purposes of this
>specification.
>
>This element, along with sign, signal and symbol, the the key
>concepts involved in the semiotic processor experiment which we have
>initiated and which has significant promise as a processing model for
>the communication process. In short, it allows for a more inherently
>analytical model of the process. It is thought that in this way,
>clarity and accuracy in communication can be notably enhanced. So it
>is particularly important for us to be thorough and careful in our
>definition and use of this element. So we invite all comments to be
>made promptly.
>
>There will be further opportunity to comment on this concept in the
>public comment period, but comments now will be included in the
>initial documentation of our discussion on this element.
>
>
>
>Ciao,
>Rex
>--
>Rex Brooks
>Starbourne Communications Design
>1361-A Addison, Berkeley, CA 94702 *510-849-2309
>http://www.starbourne.com * rexb@starbourne.com
>
>

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