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Subject: Re: [huml-comment] RE: [huml] Last day to vote on race attributeremoval
Thanks, Joe. Ciao, Rex At 8:37 PM -0500 12/11/02, Joseph Norris wrote: >Hello Everyone, > >I concur fully with Ranjeeth's analysis and so vote yes. > >Cordially, > >Joseph Norris >jwnorris@humanmarkup.org > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ranjeeth Kumar Thunga" <rkthunga@humanmarkup.org> >To: "'Rex Brooks'" <rexb@starbourne.com>; <humanmarkup@lists.oasis-open.org> >Cc: <humanmarkup-comment@lists.oasis-open.org> >Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 9:23 AM >Subject: [huml-comment] RE: [huml] Last day to vote on race attribute >removal > > >> Thanks Rex, >> >> I think I was a bit unclear in my last post because I didn't emphasize >> what I needed to, so I'm resending it--early morning grog I guess... >> >> To clarify again, I am casting my own vote to, yes, remove the term >> "race" from physicalDescriptor--based on the posts so far, it really >> isn't a specific description of a physical characteristic, but the >> result of a derivation of other characteristics. It certainly has >> predefined codelists in existence, but there isn't a universally >> accepted definition, so it might as well be best be derived from the >> primary, which would obligate it to be explicitly defined. >> >> However, that doesn't mean that race is also a primary, primordial, >> fundamental personal identity we would like to often communicate. It >> isn't necessarily a cultural characteristic, but a means of personal >> identity that is at the core of how many of us define ourselves. To be >> able to communicate or embody the "black experience living in America" >> for example really is an experience not about culture or any specific >> physical description, but something transcendent. In the ideal world, >> probably we wouldn't define our core self based on our race, but that is >> how we communicate, and a concept we would want to communicate, now. >> >> I'm posting to both groups, as this vote occurred during the public >> comments period. >> >> Ranjeeth Kumar Thunga >> >> I am casting my own vote to yes, remove the term "race" from >> physicalDescriptor--based on the posts, it really isn't a specific >> description of a physical characteristic, but the result of a derivation >> of other characteristics. It certainly has predefined codelists in >> existence, but there isn't a universally accepted definition, so it >> might as well be best be derived from the primary, which would obligate >> it to be explicitly defined. >> >> It feel it think it does belong in the PBS however, which is why I >> hesitated. However, that doesn't mean that race is also a primary, >> primordial, fundamental personal identity we would like to often >> communicate. It isn't necessary a cultural characteristic, but a means >> of personal identity that is at the core of how many of us define >> ourselves. To be able to communicate or embody the "black experience >> living in America" for example really is experience not about culture or >> any specific physical description, but something transcendent. In the >> ideal world, possibly we wouldn't define our core self based on our >> race, but that is how we communicate, and a concept we would want to >> communicate, now. >> >> I'm posting to both groups, as it occurred during the public comments >> group. >> >> Ranjeeth Kumar Thunga >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rex Brooks [mailto:rexb@starbourne.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 9:14 AM >> To: humanmarkup@lists.oasis-open.org >> Subject: [huml] Last day to vote on race attribute removal >> >> >> Hi Folks, >> >> Just a reminder that today is the last day of voting on PC-33 to >> remove the attribute race from the attributeGroup physicalDescriptors. >> >> There are still a couple of you who have not voted yet. >> >> Ciao, >> Rex >> -- >> Rex Brooks >> Starbourne Communications Design >> 1361-A Addison, Berkeley, CA 94702 *510-849-2309 >> http://www.starbourne.com * rexb@starbourne.com > > >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription >> manager: <http://lists.oasis-open.org/ob/adm.pl> >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription >> manager: <http://lists.oasis-open.org/ob/adm.pl> >> >> >> > > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription >manager: <http://lists.oasis-open.org/ob/adm.pl> -- Rex Brooks Starbourne Communications Design 1361-A Addison, Berkeley, CA 94702 *510-849-2309 http://www.starbourne.com * rexb@starbourne.com
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