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Subject: Re: [huml-comment] RE: [huml] Last day to vote on race attributeremoval


Thanks, Joe.

Ciao,
Rex

At 8:37 PM -0500 12/11/02, Joseph Norris wrote:
>Hello Everyone,
>
>I concur fully with Ranjeeth's analysis and so vote yes.
>
>Cordially,
>
>Joseph Norris
>jwnorris@humanmarkup.org
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ranjeeth Kumar Thunga" <rkthunga@humanmarkup.org>
>To: "'Rex Brooks'" <rexb@starbourne.com>; <humanmarkup@lists.oasis-open.org>
>Cc: <humanmarkup-comment@lists.oasis-open.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 9:23 AM
>Subject: [huml-comment] RE: [huml] Last day to vote on race attribute
>removal
>
>
>>  Thanks Rex,
>>
>>  I think I was a bit unclear in my last post because I didn't emphasize
>>  what I needed to, so I'm resending it--early morning grog I guess...
>>
>>  To clarify again, I am casting my own vote to, yes, remove the term
>>  "race" from physicalDescriptor--based on the posts so far, it really
>>  isn't a specific description of a physical characteristic, but the
>>  result of a derivation of other characteristics.  It certainly has
>>  predefined codelists in existence, but there isn't a universally
>>  accepted definition, so it might as well be best be derived from the
>>  primary, which would obligate it to be explicitly defined.
>>
>>  However, that doesn't mean that race is also a primary, primordial,
>>  fundamental personal identity we would like to often communicate.  It
>>  isn't necessarily a cultural characteristic, but a means of personal
>>  identity that is at the core of how many of us define ourselves.  To be
>>  able to communicate or embody the "black experience living in America"
>>  for example really is an experience not about culture or any specific
>>  physical description, but something transcendent.  In the ideal world,
>>  probably we wouldn't define our core self based on our race, but that is
>>  how we communicate, and a concept we would want to communicate, now.
>>
>>  I'm posting to both groups, as this vote occurred during the public
>>  comments period.
>>
>>  Ranjeeth Kumar Thunga
>>
>>  I am casting my own vote to yes, remove the term "race" from
>>  physicalDescriptor--based on the posts, it really isn't a specific
>>  description of a physical characteristic, but the result of a derivation
>>  of other characteristics.  It certainly has predefined codelists in
>>  existence, but there isn't a universally accepted definition, so it
>>  might as well be best be derived from the primary, which would obligate
>>  it to be explicitly defined.
>>
>>  It feel it think it does belong in the PBS however, which is why I
>>  hesitated.  However, that doesn't mean that race is also a primary,
>>  primordial, fundamental personal identity we would like to often
>>  communicate.  It isn't necessary a cultural characteristic, but a means
>>  of personal identity that is at the core of how many of us define
>>  ourselves.  To be able to communicate or embody the "black experience
>>  living in America" for example really is experience not about culture or
>>  any specific physical description, but something transcendent.  In the
>>  ideal world, possibly we wouldn't define our core self based on our
>>  race, but that is how we communicate, and a concept we would want to
>>  communicate, now.
>>
>>  I'm posting to both groups, as it occurred during the public comments
>>  group.
>>
>>  Ranjeeth Kumar Thunga
>>
>>  -----Original Message-----
>>  From: Rex Brooks [mailto:rexb@starbourne.com]
>>  Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 9:14 AM
>>  To: humanmarkup@lists.oasis-open.org
>>  Subject: [huml] Last day to vote on race attribute removal
>>
>>
>>  Hi Folks,
>>
>>  Just a reminder that today is the last day of voting on PC-33 to
>>  remove the attribute race from the attributeGroup physicalDescriptors.
>>
>>  There are still a couple of you who have not voted yet.
>>
>>  Ciao,
>>  Rex
>>  --
>>  Rex Brooks
>>  Starbourne Communications Design
>>  1361-A Addison, Berkeley, CA 94702 *510-849-2309
>>  http://www.starbourne.com * rexb@starbourne.com
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