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Subject: [huml] Re: [huml-comment] February Minutes

I made the suggested changes and posted the revised minutes a moment 
ago. I will change the link for the minutes to the revised minutes.


At 10:36 PM -0700 2/26/03, cognite zianet.com wrote:
>guess I lost the first copy of this when xine crashed
>couple of suggested changes to minutes (in order of occurrence)
>Sylvia is working on ->
>Sylvia said she had expanded into 20-some slides the accepted abstract for
>CIDOC-CRM presentation titled ...
>As is turned out, Sylvia has parsed Ranjeeth's sample text
>formally ->
>informally (not using a rigorous explicit ruleset) but fairly fully (using
>pragmasemantics techniques) ...
>human movement systesm, suck as ... ->
>such as
>Indian culture, called "mudrA" positions of Bharatanatyam (bhArtnAtym)
>classical dance.
>======== Q.E.D.
>We really did cover a lot, didn't we?
>On Wednesday 26 February 2003 02:05 pm, Rex Brooks wrote:
>>  Here are the minutes for this month's meeting:
>>  Here are the TC Minutes, which I will link to this post Wednesday,
>>  February 26, 2003 on the TC website.
>>  February 19, 2003
>>  Teleconference meeting of the OASIS HumanMarkup Technical Committee.
>>  USA Toll Free Number: 888-576-9014
>>  USA Toll Number: +1-773-756-0201
>>  Roll Call:
>>  Voting Members:
>>  Rex Brooks
>>  Len Bullard
>>  James Landrum
>>  Sylvia Candelaria deRam
>>  Rob Nixon
>>  Ranjeeth Kumar Thunga
>>  Minutes taken by TC Secretary Rex Brooks
>>  Meeting convened12:05 p.m. Eastern Time
>>  Previous meeting minutes accepted.
>>  This meeting was on our normally scheduled third Wednesday of the Month.
>>  We had a quorum.
>>  As usual, some of these items were actually discussed in a different
>>  sequence from the posted agenda, but it is handier to summarize these
>>  discussions by using the posted agenda.
>>  Old Business:
>>  The first item of business was a review of the presentation materials
>>  being developed for the the International CIDOC Symposium, March 26,
>>  27, 2003 in Washington, D.C.
>>  James sent an outline to the TC list which indicated the materials on
>>  hand and expected, to fulfill the theme of the Symposium, "Sharing
>>  the Knowledge," in a way that introduces the Human Markup Language
>>  effort, shows its purposes and represents the scope of the endeavor.
>>  In addition, he asked for short biographical sketches of the TC
>>  members because the TC and its membership will be cited as authors in
>>  the scholarly paper which will accompany the slide and animation
>>  presentation, which is being given an overall rough time slot of 30
>>  minutes of which ten will be presented by James and ten will be
>>  presented by Sylvia with ten reserved for questions.
>>  Of these materials, animations have been provided by Rob for full
>>  body animation based on motion capture and extrapolation and Rex for
>>  facial animation. Rex has supplied four jpeg images illustrating a
>>  hypothetical Social Services Agency Use Case for Child Protective
>>  Services. Rob has provided a similar series of images of
>>  HumanML-enabled reports relating to personal information in use.
>>  Sylvia is working on the abstract for the presentation paper titled
>>  "Human Markup Language  (huml):  Humanness Content and Sharing across
>>  Perspective Shifts." She is including comparison of the CIDOC CRM
>>  which has been rendered as an XML Schema and HumanML Primary Base
>>  Schema, much of Emmaneul (Manos) Batsis work on HumanML in RDF, a
>>  brief historical account of the HumanMarkup effort, its scope and
>>  aims all of which will be accompanied by slides. This will be
>>  supplied shortly.
>>  Len Bullard was asked to supply the biographical sketch, and it was
>>  acknowledged that he and Sylvia have been designated official
>>  "Invited Experts" and given one-year OASIS membership status by the
>>  Ranjeeth has supplied a sample html form which will become an
>>  application, largely for his work as chair of the Conflict Resolution
>  > Subcommittee, for showing how information can be supplied, and then
>>  interpreted using HumanML. This will provide the textual
>  > accompaniment for Rob's images.
>>  There was a discussion of how this can operate as both a sample
>>  implementation of the Primary Base Schema and a tool for gathering
>>  information about what is needed in this area, and other areas
>>  appropriate to this tool and a revived HumanMLWrite/Report App for
>>  the purpose of starting work on the Secondary Base Schema.
>>  As it turned out, Sylvia has parsed Ranjeeth's sample text formally
>>  to illustrate how an interpretation could be made from such samples,
>>  and this might find its way into the CIDOC presentation. Ranjeeth
>>  also said that he might use it in his attendance the next day at a
>>  State Department presentation and panel discussion in Washington,
>>  D.C. the following day.
>>  Len asked if anyone had thought to turn this kind of process for
>>  gathering information around, reversing it so as to teach the
>>  characteristics of cultures, as opposed to identifying
>>  cultural/social implications from text using HumanML. During this
>>  digression, Rex said that he would send Len some material he was
>>  gathering as part of his participation in the recently formed
>>  Emergency Management TC--which Rex said will have significance for
>>  HumanML, as well.
>>  The remaining work to be done on CIDOC material was briefly discussed.
>>  The second item on the agenda was the need for Revised, harmonized
>>  Mission Statements for the three Subcommittees we will now be pursung
>>  more actively. Rex had posted such a revised Mission for the Human
>>  Physical Characteristics Description Markup Language Subcommittee and
>>  James noted that it was not accurate to describe it as a subset of
>>  HumanML, and Rex agreed. It will be changed to read superset since
>>  that is what these extensions will actually be, since they will
>>  include the HumanML Primary Base Schema Specfication. Both Rob for
>>  VR-AI and Ranjeeth for the renamed Conflict Resolution Subcommittees
>>  said their Mission Statements would be forthcoming. The basic three
>>  part format was agreed, with a Mission Statement which includes at
>>  least a paragraph on Scope, a Values Statement for such overall
>>  concepts as respect for individual rights to control of their own
>>  vital information, and accuracy as guiding principles, and an
>>  Objectives Statement with target milestone dates for specific
>>  deliverables.
>>  The third item on the agenda was the ongoing work of the
>>  subcommittees and the progress toward Requirements revision. Rex said
>>  that he had come to the conclusion that attempting to set a method
>>  for revising the Primary Base Spec and the Secondary Base spec should
>>  not be attempted now, but that working on the Secondary and the
>>  subcommittee specialties would provide the information we need to
>>  fashion such a method.
>>  Rob said he would look into the Artificial Intelligence Markup
>>  Languauge as part of his subcommittee work in response to a
>>  suggestion from Len.
>>  Ranjeeth said he would make a report which will also include
>>  description of the E-gov TC work in which he is participating, on the
>>  Department of State Open Forum Discussion on "e-Diplomacy: Using
>>  Technology to Advance the Management and the Conduct of Foreign
>>  Relations"  being held Thursday, February 20, 2003.
>>  James described, in context of Rob's work with his group at North
>>  Dakota State University on the Native Dancer project, how there is a
>>  need, which may relate to a number of areas, for a way to develop
>>  data from and for qualitative assessments of project effectiveness in
>>  the area of behavioral change or modification. In particular, this
>>  discussion was concerned with HumanML's ability, which Rex cited in
>>  the Social Services Use Case for the CIDOC presentation, to derive
>>  data from collections of text documents. The issue is how to develop
>>  qualitative data as well as quantitative data. Statistical Analysis
>>  Systems and the Statistical Package for the Social Sciences were
>>  cited as resources that need to be studied and improved upon.
>  >
>>  Sylvia and James along with Len were concerned that simply providing
>>  a means or methodology for generating numerical data from text
>  > collections were inadequate for taking "cultural bias" into account,
>>  nor for accommodating decisions and outcomes based on subjective
>>  judgments. So it becomes apparent that we need to consider how to
>>  build a sound, scientific basis for making qualitative assessments.
>>  Ranjeeth explained that the information he had from the Fund for the
>>  City of New York for the possibility of developing a project to
>>  produce a cognitive-assist for signing among non- or
>>  poor-English-speaking parents would be updated March 17. He also
>>  stated that his sources needed help in understanding XML and HumanML
>>  in relation to it and how that could aid in their work in this area.
>>  James reported that the Native Dancer project was in hiatus until
>>  hearing from NIH, but that he was working with Rob on what they have
>>  recorded to date.
>>  In relation to that tokenization and reproduction of systematized
>>  human movement systems, suck as Native American Dance, Sylvia noted
>>  that there was another fully systematized and well-studied system in
>>  Indian culture, called "Mudra" "Bjharatyanatyam." Rob said he would
>>  research it.
>>  We finished at the top of the hour and adjourned.

Rex Brooks
Starbourne Communications Design
1361-A Addison, Berkeley, CA 94702 *510-849-2309
http://www.starbourne.com * rexb@starbourne.com

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