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I made the suggested changes and posted the revised minutes a moment ago. I will change the link for the minutes to the revised minutes. Ciao, Rex At 10:36 PM -0700 2/26/03, cognite zianet.com wrote: >guess I lost the first copy of this when xine crashed > >couple of suggested changes to minutes (in order of occurrence) > >Sylvia is working on -> >Sylvia said she had expanded into 20-some slides the accepted abstract for >CIDOC-CRM presentation titled ... > >As is turned out, Sylvia has parsed Ranjeeth's sample text >formally -> >informally (not using a rigorous explicit ruleset) but fairly fully (using >pragmasemantics techniques) ... > >human movement systesm, suck as ... -> >such as > >Indian culture, called "mudrA" positions of Bharatanatyam (bhArtnAtym) >classical dance. > >======== Q.E.D. >SC >We really did cover a lot, didn't we? > >On Wednesday 26 February 2003 02:05 pm, Rex Brooks wrote: >> Here are the minutes for this month's meeting: >> >> Here are the TC Minutes, which I will link to this post Wednesday, >> February 26, 2003 on the TC website. >> >> February 19, 2003 >> >> Teleconference meeting of the OASIS HumanMarkup Technical Committee. >> >> USA Toll Free Number: 888-576-9014 >> USA Toll Number: +1-773-756-0201 >> >> Roll Call: >> Voting Members: >> >> Rex Brooks >> Len Bullard >> James Landrum >> Sylvia Candelaria deRam >> Rob Nixon >> Ranjeeth Kumar Thunga >> >> Minutes taken by TC Secretary Rex Brooks >> >> Meeting convened12:05 p.m. Eastern Time >> >> Previous meeting minutes accepted. >> >> This meeting was on our normally scheduled third Wednesday of the Month. >> >> We had a quorum. >> >> As usual, some of these items were actually discussed in a different >> sequence from the posted agenda, but it is handier to summarize these >> discussions by using the posted agenda. >> >> Old Business: >> >> The first item of business was a review of the presentation materials >> being developed for the the International CIDOC Symposium, March 26, >> 27, 2003 in Washington, D.C. >> >> James sent an outline to the TC list which indicated the materials on >> hand and expected, to fulfill the theme of the Symposium, "Sharing >> the Knowledge," in a way that introduces the Human Markup Language >> effort, shows its purposes and represents the scope of the endeavor. >> In addition, he asked for short biographical sketches of the TC >> members because the TC and its membership will be cited as authors in >> the scholarly paper which will accompany the slide and animation >> presentation, which is being given an overall rough time slot of 30 >> minutes of which ten will be presented by James and ten will be >> presented by Sylvia with ten reserved for questions. >> >> Of these materials, animations have been provided by Rob for full >> body animation based on motion capture and extrapolation and Rex for >> facial animation. Rex has supplied four jpeg images illustrating a >> hypothetical Social Services Agency Use Case for Child Protective >> Services. Rob has provided a similar series of images of >> HumanML-enabled reports relating to personal information in use. >> >> Sylvia is working on the abstract for the presentation paper titled >> "Human Markup Language (huml): Humanness Content and Sharing across >> Perspective Shifts." She is including comparison of the CIDOC CRM >> which has been rendered as an XML Schema and HumanML Primary Base >> Schema, much of Emmaneul (Manos) Batsis work on HumanML in RDF, a >> brief historical account of the HumanMarkup effort, its scope and >> aims all of which will be accompanied by slides. This will be >> supplied shortly. >> >> Len Bullard was asked to supply the biographical sketch, and it was >> acknowledged that he and Sylvia have been designated official >> "Invited Experts" and given one-year OASIS membership status by the >> OASIS CEO. >> >> Ranjeeth has supplied a sample html form which will become an >> application, largely for his work as chair of the Conflict Resolution > > Subcommittee, for showing how information can be supplied, and then >> interpreted using HumanML. This will provide the textual > > accompaniment for Rob's images. >> >> There was a discussion of how this can operate as both a sample >> implementation of the Primary Base Schema and a tool for gathering >> information about what is needed in this area, and other areas >> appropriate to this tool and a revived HumanMLWrite/Report App for >> the purpose of starting work on the Secondary Base Schema. >> >> As it turned out, Sylvia has parsed Ranjeeth's sample text formally >> to illustrate how an interpretation could be made from such samples, >> and this might find its way into the CIDOC presentation. Ranjeeth >> also said that he might use it in his attendance the next day at a >> State Department presentation and panel discussion in Washington, >> D.C. the following day. >> >> Len asked if anyone had thought to turn this kind of process for >> gathering information around, reversing it so as to teach the >> characteristics of cultures, as opposed to identifying >> cultural/social implications from text using HumanML. During this >> digression, Rex said that he would send Len some material he was >> gathering as part of his participation in the recently formed >> Emergency Management TC--which Rex said will have significance for >> HumanML, as well. >> >> The remaining work to be done on CIDOC material was briefly discussed. >> >> The second item on the agenda was the need for Revised, harmonized >> Mission Statements for the three Subcommittees we will now be pursung >> more actively. Rex had posted such a revised Mission for the Human >> Physical Characteristics Description Markup Language Subcommittee and >> James noted that it was not accurate to describe it as a subset of >> HumanML, and Rex agreed. It will be changed to read superset since >> that is what these extensions will actually be, since they will >> include the HumanML Primary Base Schema Specfication. Both Rob for >> VR-AI and Ranjeeth for the renamed Conflict Resolution Subcommittees >> said their Mission Statements would be forthcoming. The basic three >> part format was agreed, with a Mission Statement which includes at >> least a paragraph on Scope, a Values Statement for such overall >> concepts as respect for individual rights to control of their own >> vital information, and accuracy as guiding principles, and an >> Objectives Statement with target milestone dates for specific >> deliverables. >> >> The third item on the agenda was the ongoing work of the >> subcommittees and the progress toward Requirements revision. Rex said >> that he had come to the conclusion that attempting to set a method >> for revising the Primary Base Spec and the Secondary Base spec should >> not be attempted now, but that working on the Secondary and the >> subcommittee specialties would provide the information we need to >> fashion such a method. >> >> Rob said he would look into the Artificial Intelligence Markup >> Languauge as part of his subcommittee work in response to a >> suggestion from Len. >> >> Ranjeeth said he would make a report which will also include >> description of the E-gov TC work in which he is participating, on the >> Department of State Open Forum Discussion on "e-Diplomacy: Using >> Technology to Advance the Management and the Conduct of Foreign >> Relations" being held Thursday, February 20, 2003. >> >> James described, in context of Rob's work with his group at North >> Dakota State University on the Native Dancer project, how there is a >> need, which may relate to a number of areas, for a way to develop >> data from and for qualitative assessments of project effectiveness in >> the area of behavioral change or modification. In particular, this >> discussion was concerned with HumanML's ability, which Rex cited in >> the Social Services Use Case for the CIDOC presentation, to derive >> data from collections of text documents. The issue is how to develop >> qualitative data as well as quantitative data. Statistical Analysis >> Systems and the Statistical Package for the Social Sciences were >> cited as resources that need to be studied and improved upon. > > >> Sylvia and James along with Len were concerned that simply providing >> a means or methodology for generating numerical data from text > > collections were inadequate for taking "cultural bias" into account, >> nor for accommodating decisions and outcomes based on subjective >> judgments. So it becomes apparent that we need to consider how to >> build a sound, scientific basis for making qualitative assessments. >> >> Ranjeeth explained that the information he had from the Fund for the >> City of New York for the possibility of developing a project to >> produce a cognitive-assist for signing among non- or >> poor-English-speaking parents would be updated March 17. He also >> stated that his sources needed help in understanding XML and HumanML >> in relation to it and how that could aid in their work in this area. >> >> James reported that the Native Dancer project was in hiatus until >> hearing from NIH, but that he was working with Rob on what they have >> recorded to date. >> >> In relation to that tokenization and reproduction of systematized >> human movement systems, suck as Native American Dance, Sylvia noted >> that there was another fully systematized and well-studied system in >> Indian culture, called "Mudra" "Bjharatyanatyam." Rob said he would >> research it. >> >> We finished at the top of the hour and adjourned. -- Rex Brooks Starbourne Communications Design 1361-A Addison, Berkeley, CA 94702 *510-849-2309 http://www.starbourne.com * rexb@starbourne.com
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