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Subject: [humanmarkup] Technical vs. Philosophical Content


Niclas,

At the risk of being offensive (which is not my intent), this IS a technical
specification. Part of the aspect of putting together HumanML is to make
sure that it is in fact machine readible, and to do that it is necessary to
insure that what we are handwaving in the non-technical domain is feasible
within the technical. The technical discussions are important as well -- we
have a relatively complex domain, programmatically speaking, because it is
rich both syntactically and semantically, which makes it more descriptive in
human terms but a bugger of a problem technically.

Right now, we're still in something of a formative stage; the technical
(secular) discussions and the philosophical (religion) discussions are
currently going on side by side. The technical layer needs to be there, from
RDF and XSD to protocols of transport and transformation, before the
philosophical discussions can handle the issues of semantics and meaning
that we're trying to embody. Once this process gets a little farther along,
it's likely that the technical and non-technical tracks will move
concurrently and intersect only at fairly limited points, so I would only
counsel patience at this stage.

-- Kurt Cagle
----- Original Message -----
From: "Niclas Olofsson" <niclas.olofsson@ismobile.com>
To: "Bullard, Claude L (Len)" <clbullar@ingr.com>
Cc: "Manos Batsis" <m.batsis@bsnet.gr>; "OASIS Comment"
<humanmarkup-comment@lists.oasis-open.org>
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 7:50 AM
Subject: Re: [humanmarkup-comment] RE: HM.VR_AI: Goals and Overview :
HumanML_VR_AI Facilitator


>
> Yep, I think Manos got it completely backwords. Shit happens :-)
>
> I'm a technical person, but I still can't understand where the
> discussion is going. XSD, XSLT, RDF, etc. What about it? Manos said that
> "no more rendering" discussions, I'd say, *please* cut the technical out
> of it. If you keep RDF and XSchemas out of it, my experience tells me
> that it will eventually choose itself, pure natural. This is what I mean
> when I say that some (most) should study some tao. Technical discussions
> without a purpose is simply confusing (K'ung Fu-tse). I've been
> repeating this message over and over again, perhaps one time too many I
> guess.
>
> But if I understood Manos correct he is going to provide a real use case
> for HumanML? HumanML as a vital part of cyberspace infrastructure isn't
> clean enough even though it is my motivation. At least it's too fuzzy to
> put in an OASIS pressrelease. Some of us are system designers, or
> architects if you like, and as such sometimes we must bet on future
> technology. Sometimes it will give you nothing, sometimes a fighter
> plane is build.
>
> Cheers,
> /Niclas
>
> "Bullard, Claude L (Len)" wrote:
> >
> > >I don't know what you would do or what microparse is supposed to mean
> > >but I am sure that values like 5in, 25,6km, 34cc will become
> > >unmanageable in no time.
> >
> > That is exactly not what I am suggesting.
> >
> > >Just use primitives and specify both the primitive for an attribute and
> > >the corresponding abstract type in your schemata, then use this info
> > >from your application. Isn't that what XSD is about?
> >
> > That is what I am suggesting.  I would use floating point primitives
> > and try to standardize around a metric measurement type since that
> > is the world standard if not the US common practice.  One will have
> > better luck with geographic systems.   Mapping systems consider the
> > measurement type (eg, miles vs km) to be a layer about the actual
> > coordinate system.   GML is a good example for feature layers.
> >
> > len
> >
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