[humanmarkup] Re: Re: [humanmarkup-comment] Outreach

[Ranjeeth Kumar Thunga <rkthunga@humanmarkup.org>]

I'm with ya 100% Rex.

We held back on any active outreach till now because:
1) we didn't have our bare minimum infrastructure solidified
2) we didn't have a resource database

Since I think we *have* minimally met these requirements this week, we are
ready to go (We are still determining how we we should make this database
available, but it *is* being updated at this moment.)

I'll give another pass at the project plan, and have possibly discuss some
simple strategies on how we should proceed from this point on, regarding our
effort.  I have some ideas, which I'll post in a bit.  Feel free to do the
same.

Ranjeeth Kumar Thunga
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rex Brooks" <rexb@starbourne.com>
To: <arthide@magicvillage.de>
Cc: <humanmarkup-comment@lists.oasis-open.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 1:55 PM
Subject: Fwd: Re: [humanmarkup-comment] Outreach


> Hi Volker,
>
> I couldn't find your email in my archives, but Rob Nixon, who is
> chairing our Subcommittee on Artifical Intelligence and Virtual
> Reality, did, including your post on race and your reference to Luigi
> Luca Cavalli-Sforza, which Len Bullard and I both referenced in later
> messages.
>
> I am including all of these posts in this message to remind everyone
> of the interconnectedness, and the limitations of some of the trusted
> servants (me) of this effort. Well Mea Culpa, but the points are:
>
> 1) we need to recruit some anthropologists for the task of beginning
> to collect the requirements the Human Markup Language will need to
> address in order to create accurate culturalModules--collections of
> characteristics which describe human cultures past and present.
>
> 2) we need more participation by a wider community than we currently
> have in order to pull in diverse interests which can bring to our
> attention areas of human endeavor that we are missing.
>
> 3) we need to stimulate more discussion in addition to the
> discussions we need to pursue for the focused goals and objectives we
> are now actually working on.
>
> Ciao,
> Rex
>
>
> >X-From_: rnixon@qdyn.com  Sat Oct 27 09:59:28 2001
> >Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 12:01:52 -0500
> >From: Rob Nixon <rnixon@qdyn.com>
> >Organization: Quantum Dynamics International, Inc.
> >X-Accept-Language: en
> >To: Rex Brooks <rexb@starbourne.com>
> >Subject: Re: [humanmarkup-comment] Outreach
> >
> >Here you go Rex
> >
> >Volker Hamann
> >arthide@magicvillage.de
> >
> >To whom it may concern.
> >
> >HumanML: "The aim is to enhance the fidelity of human communication."
> >
> >Since i am an anthropologist who often handles html and some other
> >codes, i can imagine, your HumanML undertaking is meant as a
> >subversive joke. At least the use of 'race' in a draft from your
> >websites (see the relevant cut of code below) indicates, you want to
> >say that the in oasis involved US companies still record workers and
> >employees as black, red, white halfblood or quarterblood. Code lists
> >with values for jewish and half jewish?
> >
> >Scientifically, genetically, anthropologically, zoologically the idea
> >of different human races cannot be prooved. Read Luigi Luca
> >Cavalli-Sforza (Genetics, Stanford), to understand why humankind is
> >not divided into races. Humans are one race among the races of
> >hominides.
> >
> >You may find opponents to this scientific teaching. However, a
> >language which aims to be as universal as possible, if i take your
> >motto above for better than Brave New World, should not be decorated
> >with race ideology, this way or that way. Better leave it out now
> >immediately.
> >
> >The present realisation of the idea of HumanML also in deeper and more
> >complex philosophical aspects needs to be criticized from all possible
> >sides, to effect its design radically.
> >
> >Volker Hamann
> >
> >   The height and weight types should be numbers but have to allow for
> >different measurement systems
> >   </xhtml:p>
> >
> >- <xhtml:p>
> >   <xhtml:strong>NOTE:</xhtml:strong>
> >   The race, hair color, eyeColor, build attributes need code lists for
> >values
> >   </xhtml:p>
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >Rex Brooks wrote:
> >
> >>  Hi Everyone,
> >>
> >>  I have been searching my email archives, to no avail for the name and
> >>  email address of a gentleman who wrote a few times a month or more
> >>  ago. He was the only actual anthropologist, by trade so to speak who
> >>  has written to these lists and has since  been quiet. If anyone has
> >>  his name, or if he happens to be lurking, I would like to get in
> >>  touch with him. As I have been harping on and on, we are now in the
> >>  requirements-gathering phase or stage of our work, and it always gets
> >>  quiet when people go off to do intensive work on their own, but we
> >>  need to keep the discussion fires burning, without indulging in
> >>  flames for their own sake, of course, to stretch a metaphor. So what
> >  > I would like to do is to get a slightly less formal effort going to
> >>  reach out for more participation, and in particular I would like to
> >>  start gathering in some anthropologists for the eventual tasks of
> >>  creating accurate culturalModules.
> >>
> >>  If you can help, we would all be the richer for it.
> >>
> >>  Ciao,
> >>  Rex
> >>  --
> >>  Rex Brooks
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> >>  W3Address: http://www.starbourne.com
> >>  Email: rexb@starbourne.com
> >>  Tel: 510-849-2309
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