[humanmarkup] Working Session #1

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rexbroo: I'll be back in about 13 minutes--10 EST OK?

quantumevent1: ok

rkthunga: hey guys, good that we made it...sounds good, let me go take care of a couple of things as well

quantumevent1: ok

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kurt_cagle: Hey guys.

kurt_cagle: Who's quantum event?

rexbroo: Hi, I'm back sorta. I'll be in and out a lot, getting dinner ready.

rexbroo: Hi Kurt. Quantum is Rob Nixon

kurt_cagle: Are you doing voice, or is this text only?

kurt_cagle: Hi Rob!

rkthunga: hey Kurt...glad you made it...this'll be text

rexbroo: I just spent the day at a Web Services Seminar at IBM's Partnerworld Solutions Center--about 80 people, and all the free software they got stuff onto to 2 cds

rkthunga: The purpose, as I see it, is to help develop the momentum for our efforts in the right direction.

kurt_cagle: I envy you.

rexbroo: Wjhat, you don't like sinister?

kurt_cagle: It is pretty sinister, isn't it.

rexbroo: Ranjeeth is a dexter-phile. I knew it!

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rexbroo: I made all sorts of wunnerful contacts, I am glad I made myself get up death early and migrate across the bay.

rkthunga: i am assuming you are speaking in some sort of secret code...some fantasy/sci-fi references I'm sure

rexbroo: No, latin. Dexter is right, sinister is left.

kurt_cagle: I've always thought Dexter was a little fishy, myself.

rexbroo: Hiya Rob.

rkthunga: Dexter, as in dubya?

kurt_cagle: Dexter as in Dextrose.

kurt_cagle: Or dexterity.

rexbroo: Hadn't thought of it in that light, so I guess we'll have to say no, I don't think you're a closet replubiccrat.

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kurt_cagle: From the Greek dexter

rexbroo: Hiya Rob, Is yer browser bonko?

rkthunga: rob is talking to us

rexbroo: I heard him, but my voice kicked out.

rkthunga: unfortunately, my mic is schizo, so I'll have to type instead

rexbroo: Voice isn't working very well, except for Kurt's cat.

kurt_cagle: Sounds like a monkey.

rkthunga: all i hear is strange music and animal sounds

quantumevent1: So far, I'm not hearing anyone. I know this works since I've been talking to my wife in Japan. Do we all want to type?

kurt_cagle: The music is Starbucks.

rexbroo: Let's stick to text, okay?

kurt_cagle: Yes, by all means. I hate non-text.

rkthunga: (i kinda figured Kurt )

quantumevent1: ok

kurt_cagle: Of course.

rexbroo: I was telling everyone about my long and wonderful day at IBM.

rkthunga: anyway, let's start our 'informal' discussion (I guess it's been pretty informal so far already...)

kurt_cagle: Actually, what happened at IBM?

rexbroo: It was a seminar about Web Services in general and IBM's Web Sphere suite of ide programs to handle SOAP and UDDI and make web apps.

rexbroo: One of the main speakers was Doug Tidwell who wrote the O'Reilly XSLT book I'm using. I made some good contacts and mentioned out work as well as the WSIA's.

kurt_cagle: Doug's a good guy. I've met him at other conferences.

rkthunga: Do you see yourself programming using Web Sphere?

rexbroo: I will be following up, and I mentioned Joe's HumanML_Report too. So I may try to do a version in their suite to pull them in.

rexbroo: Probably, but mostly demo's like I just mentioned. However some of their Java IDE makes sense.

rexbroo: And their UDDI directory services, too.

rexbroo: But that's about it.

rexbroo: For now at least. I have a lot of exploring to do.

kurt_cagle: Are they beginning to target UDDI to intra-enterprise applications?

rkthunga: is it free, or is it a trial version btw?

rexbroo: I talked to Doug about the move to all XML all the time. He commiserated.

kurt_cagle: What was his feelings viz the direction of XSLT?

rexbroo: Both. You know it's supposed to time out, but if you uninstall and reinstall you can just carry on. I didn't tell you that and they didn't either.

rexbroo: We didn't have time to talk deeply. There were 80 other people or so, still I did schmooze my best.

rkthunga: 'look the other way' trialware.

rkthunga: what is your conclusion from the contacts you made?

rexbroo: Having it on disk is going to be a help, downloading these suckers, even with good broadband connections and two of them is just the pits.

rexbroo: My conclusion is that I made more people aware that we are here.

rexbroo: And I made more contacts at IBM among people who don't usually get to talk to each other and now will.

kurt_cagle: Always good.

rexbroo: And I have my foot in the developerWorks, PartnerWorld door big time.

rkthunga: anyone interested in participating within our effort directly?

rexbroo: I forgot the name of the woman you told me to look up. Kurt, but I will mention it around as I start playing email tag with this expanded group of about 7-8 people I can chat with.

rexbroo: Maybe, but I am working the field slowly.

rexbroo: I don't want to scare anyone off, just draw them in with stuff that relates to what they are doing in a mutual help sort of way...

rexbroo: Rob, you still here?

quantumevent1: yes...

rexbroo: I wanted to ask you what's up, you said your wife is in Tokyo?

kurt_cagle: Marsha Dunn is the person I was asking about, but no big deal.

rexbroo: She was a media person, right?

kurt_cagle: Yeah.

quantumevent1: She's in southern Japan, for 5 weeks

kurt_cagle: Must be nice.

quantumevent1: yep. Wish I was there

rexbroo: I was wondering if she had any tie-ins to the IBM crew in Tokyo?

rexbroo: They are big players in the SOAP world.

quantumevent1: No. Connections with a group building a Terabyte optical disk ...

rexbroo: They will probably be working on the IBM version of XML Signature now that the spec is recommended.

kurt_cagle: A TByte optical disk? Damn.

quantumevent1: that's backward compat with CD and DVD

rexbroo: How big? I just saw a card-size no brick hard disk today from some folks named pockey.

rexbroo: USB works on the boxes juice.

quantumevent1: DVD size

rexbroo: Terabytes? Jeez!

kurt_cagle: Access time has got to be a bitch though.

quantumevent1: Actually the prototype isn't too bad... from what I've seen..

rkthunga: that is mindblowing...i guess that's about 100 DVD quality movies on 1 disk

rexbroo: Sigh!

kurt_cagle: What? Are they indexing the index?

quantumevent1: Yes.... I guess!

kurt_cagle: Is it r/w or r/o?

rexbroo: Anyway, I will be up to my armpits in UML tomorrow before my latest Rational Rose Evaluation wears out.

quantumevent1: r/w

kurt_cagle: Cheesus!

rexbroo: I will start pulling requirements out of the use cases I diagram tomorrow. I have a plan to get IBM to get Rational to pop for some samples.

kurt_cagle: Isn't Rational part of Microsquish now?

rexbroo: But I have to show that I can use it and the new IBM Web Sphere stuff together with the XSLT to make it all go...

quantumevent1: I thought so....

rexbroo: Not that I had heard...?

kurt_cagle: Pretty sure they are. I know they were in bed for a while.

rkthunga: no, I don't think so

rexbroo: Rational is in bed with all the biggies, but I don't think that they were outright bought, or I/we would have heard. It sorta makes OMG a big waste, and they aren't going away that I had heard, either.

quantumevent1: Hmmm. That must be it.

kurt_cagle: Hmm...I may be thinking of Great Plains.

rkthunga: great plains, yes

rexbroo: Rational's Unified Process outputs VisualStudio.Anything, but it does Java2EE too.

rexbroo: Round trips for both from the uml.

kurt_cagle: Sweet.

rexbroo: Yeah, Great Plains is pure MicroSloth. I get their developer stuff, too.

quantumevent1: Round trips with the older version of Rational were a pain.

rkthunga: btw, from my vantage point, I got some preliminary requirements from Owen (or at least pointers) so I'll be working with him for the next two weeks to get some stuff for our reqs

rexbroo: The new stuff is supposed to be better.

kurt_cagle: Okay.

rexbroo: I wanted to write to him, too, so this all works great.

rexbroo: I could even get excited...uh, NAH

rexbroo: too much damn work...

rkthunga: not until we get our initial requirements document...

rkthunga: i'll get started on that tonite.

rexbroo: Well, we are now at the stage of staging these requirements, so let's get our stuff together...

quantumevent1: Sifting through the Biometric material will take a bit of time...

rexbroo: I'll try to get my use-case stuff out tomorrow night.

rexbroo: We don't have to take their requirements now, we can just leave a placeholder that says "Biometrics Goes Here..."

quantumevent1: that'll work

kurt_cagle: Guys, I've got to bow out for the night.

rkthunga: so, to clarify our editorial process: we'll simply post our requirements and Kurt, you'll assemble them into a document, correct?

rexbroo: As long as we stay away from their sacred cows, terminology/jargon that is special to their stuff, like fingerprints or whatever.

kurt_cagle: Yes.

rexbroo: Sounds kinda like a plan to me.

rkthunga: alright, sounds good...I'll see you guys on the board

kurt_cagle: G'night. Gotta go pick up my wife and kids.

quantumevent1: Later Kurt.

rexbroo: Bye Kurt

rexbroo: Got anything else, Rob? Like from the vrml front?

quantumevent1: Still compiling.... nothing yet

rexbroo: They be havin' their big confab this week in Tempe. Wishin I could be there, but...

rkthunga: aren't you going to web3d?

rexbroo: Ok, so here's yer head's up. I will be heating that up immediately after we get out requirements going.

rkthunga: sounds good to me

rexbroo: Nah, I have a client here from France, and the requirements works and ...so, no go...

rkthunga: yeah, i remember you were saying...

rexbroo: The contacts I made at the Naval Postgraduate School need to be serviced before the Summer. And the UPenn folks, too/

rexbroo: So, I may have some interesting projects to fill the Joint Project Void.

rkthunga: it is time we started moving together with our current TC efforts for sure

rexbroo: And, since I know that they have a motion lab there, too....

rexbroo: I suspect I can hook you into it Rob, if you are interested.

rexbroo: Or your company.

quantumevent1: Oh yes...

rexbroo: I know Kurt has little spasms over this stuff, too, so I suspect you guys will have a busy summer.

rexbroo: At least, I Hope So.

quantumevent1: I'm sure.

rexbroo: And Ranjeeth has the UN/Cefact people to play with, along with Owen and I have Susan, if she ever gets back to me.

rkthunga: I'm gonna get going...we'll have to post these meetings on the OASIS website (or at least make them available to others).

quantumevent1: Sounds good.

rkthunga: I do...know that my personal crisis has abated (for now), I am looking forward to cultivating these relationships again

rkthunga: now (not know)

rexbroo: Please let me do that, okay? I think a link is best...

quantumevent1: Yes

rexbroo: I think OASIS would have a kitten if we started posting unscheduled, informal meetings, although we can always call these offline-working sessions.

quantumevent1: Working sessions...

rexbroo: It's a shining example of what IBM can do for WSIA, but we can't do for Humanmarkup, case in point...

rkthunga: maybe you're right...why ruffle those feathers, again

rexbroo: And think of Topic Maps with their nice new Members Section.

quantumevent1: So we will archive these in someway then.

rexbroo: just kidding.

rexbroo: We done for now?

quantumevent1: I think that covers it

rkthunga: certainly...i'll see you guys on the board then

quantumevent1: will do.

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