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Subject: [humanmarkup] This month's Meeting Minutes
- From: Rex Brooks <rexb@starbourne.com>
- To: humanmarkup-comment@lists.oasis-open.org, humanmarkup@lists.oasis-open.org
- Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 08:08:49 -0700
Title: This month's Meeting Minutes
Here are the TC Minutes, which I will link to this post Sunday, April
21, 2002 and some other updates to the TC website.
April 10, 2002
Teleconference meeting of the OASIS HumanMarkup Technical
Committee.
USA Toll Free Number: 888-576-9014
USA Toll Number: +1-773-756-0201
Roll Call:
Voting Members:
Ranjeeth Kumar Thunga
Rex Brooks
Rob Nixon
Manos Batsis by Proxy
Joseph Norris
Sudhakar Gorti
Kurt Cagle
Non-members:
Len Bullard
Sylvia Candlearia de Ram
Minutes taken by TC Secretary Rex Brooks
Meeting convened12:10 p.m. Eastern Time
This meeting was held a week earlier than usual due to the overlap of
the face to face meetings of the OASIS Web Services for Interactive
Applications, to which Rex was committed, with our normally scheduled
third Wednesday of the Month TC meetings. Also Ranjeeth had
invitations to meetings of the Universal Accessibility Workshops of
the GSA and the XML.GOV during that week, so it was decided to move
our meeting up by a week to accommodate this situation. It was later
decided that we would return to our normal schedule after this
exception rather and making the second Wednesday of the month our new
schedule.
This meeting took up the tasks that follow adoption of our first
formal Working Draft of the key document, HM.Requirements.
Our first item of discussion was to clarify that the HM.requirements
document is now in a six month period commonly used by standards
bodies to allow time for as many public discussions as are needed to
fully explore the issues contained in the requirements document. This
period is formally called the "Request For Comments" period.
It will occur in parallel with the effort to produce the first
specification of the Human Markup Language.
In a recorded conversation earlier in the day, Manos Batsis updated
Rex Brooks on the progress of the RDF Activity of the W3C and informed
us of the first meeting of the International Semantic Web Conference
June 9-11 at the Grand Hotel in Baia Caia in Sardinia, Italy.
We next discussed the next steps in the process of writing the first
draft of the Base Primary Human Markup Language XML Schema. This
effort is being headed by Len Bullard in his role of Invited Expert,
and we decided to follow the procedure Len suggested.
The process we will use in writing this specification is that of
starting with the basis of the HumanML Schema known as the Toolkit
which Len produced during Phase 0.
Then we will proceed by using the public comments mailing list to
discuss scenarios suggested by members for various secondary schemata
such as those of the subcommittees, and specific applications
anticipated in these enabling secondary schemata. What this means is
that we will start from asking the question, based on these suggested
scenarios, "Do the secondary schemata have what they need? Then,
if not, we will discuss what is needed."
We spent a bit of time discussing this process by using the Diplomatic
Communications scenario(s) being used by Ranjeeth Kumar Thunga, for
which he noted that such communications constructs can less
complicated or more complicated in relation to one of the main
terminology issues in this scenario, that of "Threat."
Len pointed out that the Element "Threat" in the secondary
schema can inherit attributes from the top level, Base Primary schema,
but this inheritance is not necessary if the secondary schema wishes
to use a more limited or expanded set of attributes. However, if that
is the case, the secondary schema will have to specify what it's
"Threat" element specifically signifies so as to distinguish
it from a top level "Threat," if there is one, and it will
also need a prefix referring to the secondary schema's namespace, or
it will need to specify what the secondary schema needs in the top
level "Threat" element.
Rex expressed the thought that we may need to make explicit how
inheritance operates in the standalone version of the secondary schema
if the secondary picks and chooses attributes to inherit.
Kurt expressed the thought that we may need to specify tests for
ranking levels of a "Threat" element to validate a specific
usage of the "Threat" element. This is thought to allow for
a "diagnosis" of the "Threat."
This discussion developed the basic methodology we will use in
proceeding along this line.
Rex suggested that we should bring specific scenarios back to the next
meeting, but Len challenged this motion on the basis that using email
was better, more interactive, and allowed for a more complete public
discussion. The motion was withdrawn in favor of using the email list
for testing the toolkit actively.
In new business, we decided to retire the HumanML_Write/Report
subcommittee because Joe felt that his skill set was not sufficient to
the task. It should be mentioned that this does not mean that the
effort, which still holds promise, is in any sense precluded from
being reintroduced.
Discussion using the Diplomatic Communications as a basis led us to a
debate about the feasibility and desireability of forming a Diplomatic
Communications subcommittee chaired by Ranjeeth Kumar Thunga. Ranjeet
did not favor this, but was willing to proceed on the basis that
having such a subcommittee officially would bring our effort more
credibility when we point out the applicabiity of HumanML and form the
basis for attracting more participation from groups concerned in this
area. The motion to form the subcommittee passed.
A subsequent discussion ensued at the suggestion of Sylvia Candelaria
deRam that we consider the need for a filter/process language or for
us to include such in HumanMarkup. This was discussed at some length
with the result that we decided to take up this discussion of this in
email. We specifically want to understand and provide for a filtering
mechansim to identify core cultural data models. The need is apparent
for inclusion of a top level of elements in the Base Primary schema
that represent cultural characteristics.
It was in this discussion that we decided to make a policy statement
which will be reflected in the TC website that we want to conduct as
much of our work as possible on the public comments mailing
lists.
The meeting was then
adjourned.
Ciao,
Rex
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Rex Brooks
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